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ot:: (just can't get it) international loadstar

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steve_ne

11-17-2004 07:43:59




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Please help before I go mad.
New parts list. Replaced pushrods....two broke rebuilt starter tested alternator charged battery new condensor rotor arm distributor cap spark plugs points voltage regulator condensor off of voltage regulator ingnition coil starter switch replaced all fuses replaced all lose connectors rebuilt carborator(holly) cleaned out gas tank(new gas) cleaned intake maifold replaced exhaust manifold replaced oil in air filter Truck: 1967 loadstar 1600 v8 345
Problem:
will start run until its shut off will start right backup. If you run it then shut it off and let it sit for more then a minute. It will not start. pulled plug and no spark. Wait 45 min. or more and it will start right up and run until turned off and then the same thing. any ideas. Please help. at this point any ideas will be tried. Wear boxers instead of briefs what ever
I hope my wife doesn't find out how much is really going into the truck.

Things that I have learned owning this truck. Never name Animals you are going to eat or trucks. You never be able to eat the animal or sell the truck.

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msb

11-17-2004 18:00:38




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to steve_ne, 11-17-2004 07:43:59  
Sounds like a corroded connection somewhere.There is a quick disconect in the wiring on the engine side of the firewall above the the exhaust manifold.Think it contains 6 wires and the connector should be white in color.That is where the engine gets its current for both the start and run function to the coil.Can't remember what all else.Pull it apart and have a look to see if all the connections are clean aand bright.If not clean them up, and use some electrical grease on them.Do the same for the fuse panel and the fuses themselves.I had two of these old Binders in my time and they were bad about losing continuity on the fuses when dirt would vibrate in and around the fuse holders.Don't let anyone kid you.Those are great old trucks.The 1964 Lodestar that I owned ,I sold to a neighbor and it is still a good old truck.He uses it every harvest.

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Leland

11-17-2004 16:53:59




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to steve_ne, 11-17-2004 07:43:59  
When I worked for corps of enginners we always had trouble getting binders going on cold damp mornings, Had to hook up portable ingnition system up to them and let them warm up then they would run. IH has a poor ingnition system to begin with maybe an electronic system with a hot coil would help good luck. got ta love those binders don't ya



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Bob

11-17-2004 09:36:07




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to steve_ne, 11-17-2004 07:43:59  
When it's having it's no-start fit, connect a jumper wire from the battery (+) to the coil (+) and see if you have spark, then. (The coil (-) is connected to the distributor.) Don't leave the wire connected without the engine running for more than half a minute, or so, and if it does start,unhook the jumper right away, and it should continue to run on power from the ignition switch. (The points will burn if you run it very long on full battery voltage.)

If it starts, you have problems with your "start bypass" circuit from the starter solenoid "R" terminal to the coil (+) terminal, or shorted wiring to the ignition switch.

If it doesn't have spark with the jumper from the battery connected, check the wire from the coil (-) to the points for shorts, and tug on it a little to see if the conductor could be broken inside the insulation. Change condensor (New defectives are not unheard of.) Connect a test light to the coil (-) terminal and crank the engine over. The light should flash as the points open and close, showing that current is getting through the coil, and there are no shorts between the coil and the points, and that the points are opening and closing. If still no spark, change the coil.

One other note, check for excessive play in the distributor shaft/bushings, and check the spark advance/breaker plate mechanism for play that would affect the point gap.

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Can't even use my name

11-17-2004 09:34:40




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to steve_ne, 11-17-2004 07:43:59  
Problem: Its a freaking International!
Fun Cure: Dyanmite
Our Cure: Fused hot wire off battery to a momentary toggle switch in cab to coil.

Evidently the starter uses all the juice and you get no sparky.



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Allan in NE

11-17-2004 08:35:20




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to steve_ne, 11-17-2004 07:43:59  
Hi Steve,

Boy! Do I ever remember fightin' those old 345s!

Sounds like you have just about covered all the bases.

First, it sounds like a classic coil problem, but you'd think that the truck would die after warm if this was so; plus the fact that you've already replaced the darned coil.

Check that 12 volt feed from the starter solenoid's "ignition" terminal up to the negative side of the coil.

It sounds to me like this thing is taking on a hot soak and the starter is pulling all the juice during cranking and not leaving you anything for ignition.

Just a thought,

Allan

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Allan in NE

11-17-2004 08:36:48




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to Allan in NE, 11-17-2004 08:35:20  
Duh!,

Positive side of the coil.



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RAB

11-17-2004 08:29:55




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 Re: ot:: (just can't get it) international loadsta in reply to steve_ne, 11-17-2004 07:43:59  
Does it do this when engine is cold as well as when hot? If not, I would suspect something like a small low tension leak to earth, like points spring just about touching earth and when hot does so just enough to be a pia. Could be a faulty condenser - what colour is spark (just before it is going to give the symptoms)? If yellowish, condenser or LT leak.
What is points gap - too small and may be they are not opening cleanly at cranking speed?
Ballast resistor going high resistance as soon as hot?
Perhaps you should be checking circuit voltages and compare with "normal" running to see if there is a shortfall of volts just before the fault occurs.
Hope this helps.
Regards, RAB

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