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OT, putting in a driveway

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Joeeey

11-16-2004 10:07:52




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hey guys, thinking of buying a "flag lot" for a house..it is 9 Acres....has a 60 ft wide portion that is 700 - 800 ft long where i would install my driveway to go back to he actual lot....wondering what equipment and stone is best for this...plans were to rent a dozer and dig down 8-10 inches and build back up with crushed stone/birm combination....Some people use larger rock, baseball/softball size (#?), but I dont know if this is any better or cheaper than other stones?

Looking for ideas...a contractor wanted $10 per foot to put in a driveway!

I think I can do it for $3-4...but the stone will cost a lot...

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Leland

11-16-2004 17:32:05




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
We always had good luck by using a chisel plow and going about 6-8 in deep on purposed drive,removed loose soil then added Ca-6 or road pack. by taking out soil rock stays in place,unlike by just dumping on top of the ground it spreads out. and if you have a power plant close try to get fly ash this makes a solid base that packs well then you can top coat it with rock later to keep dust down, and it's free or real cheap in most places. But we all have our own ways of doing things good luck have fun.

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Rod F.

11-16-2004 16:09:43




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
There are likely several different options that will work, with a wide range of costs. In my area, rock is..... quite abundant. I have access to red granite pit run for little more than the cost of trucking, so that's what I have been using. There can be any size in that, up to a foot, and down to sand. If it's too lagre, then I just run the dozer over it. This stuff is soft and packs well. I just dump a load and spread it about 8" - 12" thick, and I have a road. Beyond that, the most important thing to deal with is drainage. If you have cheap material like I do, there is no need to cut the grade, or do any fancy building. A skid steer or front end loader will do the trick. This also depends on what traffic will be running on this. Trucks need better roads. If it's just a car, then you can get away with less. The fabric is also another option. I have never used it myself, but I have seen some jobs that were done with it, and they looked good to me. Driveways are something that can consume endless amounts of money, so decide what you need and what you have, and go from there. One thing I would not use is field stone or round cobbles. They just don't pack unless there is about 2 feet. 1 foot of shale rock is also good if you have access to it. It may not hurt to consult with another contractor too. Good luck.

Rod

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JDknut

11-16-2004 14:42:36




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
Over a good well-drained granular subgrade place 6 inches of 2" minus runnercrush, then for blacktop, use 2-1/2" of binder and then 1-1/2" of top. Get good subdrainage if possible as poor drainage wrecks more roads than anything else. If the subgrade is silt and/or clay, add 8" to a foot of gravel, then the runnercrush and pavement mentioned earlier. If it is really sloppy or poorly drained, place a layer of geofabric on the subgrade, then your foot of gravel, et. al. It will cost some bucks, but you will get what you pay for. Good luck

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Midwest redneck

11-16-2004 14:18:01




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
I have a 900' long driveway, flagpole lot. I had an excavator rip up the top 6" of soil then I had 4" of fill sand laid in and then 4" of 1X3 limestone (the bigger rock) and I had the concrete trucks from the house and garage construction drive over it many times coming in and out. then after I was all done building I put 3" of small crushed limestone over it to cap it off and make it look good. I dont regret it one bit and it cost me about $9000... material and labor. My neighbor put down the geotex fabric and paid $1000 for it and laid limestone over the fabric and his driveway is full of ruts and will not hold 40ton trucks because there is not enough compacted material below the stone. Good Luck

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marlowe

11-16-2004 13:23:45




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
been doing this for 35 years. 4in 21/2in. crusher run limestone top with 3in. of 3/4in limestone road materal and you WILL NOT get by for 10 bucks a foot and as for price in my area limestone runs 9.00 bucks a ton so a 20 ton load is 180.00 in your drive way



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EngineerJoyce

11-16-2004 13:12:08




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
First thing you gotta do is get the drainage done well. Make sure no water drains across the road bed, and make sure all water will drain away. If you have a low spot, put in a culvert/pipe and build the road bed up. Take the extra time and space to put a road ditch on the upper side, to flow to a pipe and under the driveway.

If your soil doesn"t have rock, the next thing you should probably do is (I"m probably gonna get slammed for this...) lay down geotextile fabric. Then put about 4" of Dense Graded Aggregate (DGA) also known as traffic bound or road stone, etc. Rock is heavier than soil, so it has a tendency to sink into the soil. The geotextile acts as a barrier to keep the rock on top. The road stone will pack on top of the geotextile just fine.

We put in a driveway 3 years ago by doing this and don"t even have a pot hole. We do have to grade the middle down and the sides back in about once per year. We had to add some rock in places that were spread only 2" thick because we drive so fast we rolled too much off. 35mph is smooth as silk -just watch that sudden turn at the bottom!

Best of luck.

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kyhayman

11-16-2004 15:23:36




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to EngineerJoyce, 11-16-2004 13:12:08  
You'll never get a slam or flame from me over geotextile fabric. Its great stuff. Were it mine I'd put down fabric, then some #2 rock, with dense grade over top but thats just me. You are certainly right about the water. I had a tree root that had stopped up the ditch on a farm road probably 50 years ago and the ditch silted in. A couple of years ago I had a dozer rented and spent a couple of hours opening the ditch up. With the rock I wasted on the road in the 17 previous years I could have paid the whole weeks rental on the dozer, and havent had to do anything to the road since. Just wish it had fabric under it (but the road bed dates to before the Revolutionary War so I gess its compacted :-))

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RZ(WA)

11-16-2004 15:03:34




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to EngineerJoyce, 11-16-2004 13:12:08  
Laying one or two layers of geo-textile fabric will help keep the road together and last longer without having to fill potholes and re-grading every couple of years. We've placed it in the field entrances after removing the sod then backfilled with 2inch minus. The result? No more stuck trucks, implements and tractors, no more rut and almost best of all, no more dents in the side panels from sliding into the fence posts !!

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JT

11-16-2004 13:01:36




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
3" rock will never settle and pack, it constantly moves. The best thing to do is to get it scraped level, with a little crown, put about 3-4" of CA6 down, hope for a little rain to settle it. When the lime in the CA6 get wet and sets up, will be as hard as concrete. once this settles, you can put another 3" down and have a very solid driveway, it will need yearly maintenance tp keep it smooth. You do not want sand or gravel as a base becaue sand and gravel are round and will never settle and pack, it will move all the time. We have put in regular roads doing this, then putting oil and then using gravel. It usually will take a while to get a good base down and then get a good road.

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skybow

11-18-2004 23:50:48




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to JT, 11-16-2004 13:01:36  
I agree. 10 years ago I built my dream house in an old pasture. The advice I got was to put down the big rock(3+ inches) as it will form a base as it works down. Trouble is it never settles down into the dirt. I have 1000 feet of driveway. I have to sharpen the mower blades twice a month do to the rock damage. Part of the drive I scraped up the rock and put down road stone with fines. It"s about 3/4 inch with the "dust" from the crushing process. I never have a problem there. Avoid the big rocks....they seek you out and attack your machinery!

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Gerald J.

11-16-2004 15:52:46




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to JT, 11-16-2004 13:01:36  
My 3" road stone has already packed. Its what some others call 3" crusher run. Its everything that falls through the 3" sieve after the crusher.

Gerald J.



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cp

11-16-2004 12:45:22




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
If you live in a cold climate a sand base will promote frost heaves. What kind of soil is on the ground now. If it is clay you will need to dig down and bring in alot of new material. If base is a good material it shouldn't require much to make a good driveway.



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Gerald J.

11-16-2004 10:39:26




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Joeeey, 11-16-2004 10:07:52  
A vintage road designing book I have says 3" road stone makes the best foundation. Need to be about 6" thick.

Last month a local dump truck spread 18 tons of 3" road stone for me over a length of about 80 feet and a truck wide. Bill including hauling about 4 miles was $242 for that load.

3" road stone is everything that falls through a 3" sieve and so has fines and packs very well.

Gerald J.

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dhermesc

11-17-2004 05:49:06




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Gerald J., 11-16-2004 10:39:26  
I agree, the millings makes an almost mortor like bond with the rock and gives you a very stable surface to put your finer gravel over. My neighber keeps dumping loads of smaller gravel without first establishing a base, even though his lane just sees car traffic he's constantly putting more gravel down every year as it sinks out of sight.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

11-16-2004 11:11:36




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Gerald J., 11-16-2004 10:39:26  
eight inches of compacted sand and four inches of road gravel. Worked good for me.



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paul

11-16-2004 12:37:44




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 11-16-2004 11:11:36  
If you can deal with drainage, then a lot of things work well. If you have wet or soft spots, then you really need to get it right to work....

--->Paul



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Gerald J.

11-16-2004 12:42:28




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 Re: OT, putting in a driveway in reply to paul, 11-16-2004 12:37:44  
That's where the road stone mix is great. It has big pieces for foundation and the fines to stick them together into a solid mass.

Gerald J.



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