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Willy-N

11-15-2004 09:43:22

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I just lifted the front end of my M-37 which weighs 5,000+ lbs and the back haft of the truck is only a empty bed. I figure the ball is holding up at least 3,000+ lbs of the truck. The front tires of the tractor were still on the ground. This sure shows the Hitch is strong enough for a trailer to hook to. Mark H.

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Dug

11-15-2004 20:38:09

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2004 09:43:22

That is impressive, Mark!

From the liability aspect, consult with an attorney about establishing an LLC if you decide to move forward on a volume basis. The "liability problem" might be easily solved and LLCs are cheap to form.

Now, if that contraption were painted green...

Dug

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Willy-N LLC

11-15-2004 22:08:45

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Dug, 11-15-2004 20:38:09

Thanks Dug just read a lot about a LLCs and it looks like the way to go. It protects you as a person and only leaves the LLC Limited Liability Company being Liable to be sued. If the Company owns nothing but the part it made I guess there is not much to be sued for. I will double check with a Lawyer tho. Mark H.

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Willy-N

11-15-2004 21:23:18

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Dug, 11-15-2004 20:38:09

Just spent a long time reading in a Googal Serch on Liability it sure sucks. I have heard about LLC set ups but not looked into them. In reading about how you can sue from the Lawyers view it is scary! Just to fight back could take you under in the process even if you were right all along. This problem covers a lot more than selling a lifting devise too. You could sell your old part off a tractor and be sued if it broke all they have to do is sue you and let the court decide. No one is realy protected from a Good Lawyer unless you have a better one and more money to fight back. Mark H.

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Mike M

11-15-2004 19:23:09

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2004 09:43:22

Nice truck ! Have you built a 3 pt. for it ?

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Willy-N

11-15-2004 20:12:39

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Mike M, 11-15-2004 19:23:09

Funny you ask the Power Wagons set up like the M-37s had a PTO Output shaft out the rear if you you wanted to run Pto Driven Equipment and also had a 3 point hitch to hook plows and such to. The gearing is so low and slow 3 mph floored you could plow with a PW or M-37. Mark H.

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harley

11-15-2004 13:32:06

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2004 09:43:22

Good job. That should hush up the na-sayers, huh Willy. Later, Harley

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paul

11-15-2004 18:37:15

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to harley, 11-15-2004 13:32:06

I always thought he had a good design. The only problem is when you go into manufaturing - you really need to consider that this _is_ what people are going to do with the equipment, and work on the truck without any blocking. and of the people that do this, there may well be one family that hires a lawyer & sues about it. And even if the manufaturer should win the lawsuit, there would be a great deal of legal costs to one.

I'm not sure that is being a nay-sayer - I thought it was being helpful.

I and others also pointed out a few improvements, or other designs available that could help him implement even better ideas.

I never really saw a negative comment about this whole thing - tho your message seems a little bit of a downer.

But, if you want people to hush up, that's ok.

--->Paul

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Willy-N

11-15-2004 19:03:27

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to paul, 11-15-2004 18:37:15

No problem Paul I asked about this once befor and got the comments about liability and just gave up the whole thing after I made it. That is why I was thinking of making them for only a few normal thinking folks and now not wanting to sell them on EBay anymore. I think Harley was talking about the strength of the design and that what I was showing. It is imposible to control what others do with something. I heard a Lady was walking down some rail road tracks and got hit by a train going by and hurt herself. Now she is sueing for damages because the Train People did not put signs up saying trains run on the tracks and could hurt you if you were on or close to them when trains went by!?!? I could not beleive this when I heard it today on the news. She want $75,000.00 for getting her hand hurt when the train nicked it! She should be happy it did not kill her and mayby we need to cull people like this or stop them from breeding anymore like them! Someone this dumb would never read the sign anyway and sue because they did not put someone by the sign to read it to her. Then they will need to be in 15 or more different languages! Mark H.

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paul

11-16-2004 07:00:52

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2004 19:03:27

Yea, there are a lot of stories like that out there.... I agree with you.

I enjoy road rallies in the USA - SCCA Pro Rally was a curcit of 8-10 rallies on dirt logging roads & the like, I actually helped time & marshal one of them. SCCA had to drop it, liability insurance was too high. someone else is hoping to take over, but... The International World Rally won't come back to this country because of the liability laws & costs.

Think the current situation of liability in the USA is a big drag on our country.

--->Paul

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Willy-N

11-16-2004 07:06:31

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to paul, 11-16-2004 07:00:52

I read about forming a LLC just for these parts and it looks like it might cover me and stating no liability on the product. I still need to talk to a Lawyer first. Mark H.

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paul

11-16-2004 12:35:21

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-16-2004 07:06:31

Like you say, for making 15 units, a couple bucks, and help some people out, it ain't worth it. Kinda killing the Amarican way there....

I do like your hitch, with pallet forks & so on sounds interesting.

--->Paul

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Willy-N

11-16-2004 21:08:56

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to paul, 11-16-2004 12:35:21

Finished the Boom Fabercation tonight might weld it up tomorrow, still working on the Forks but they are allmost fabercated. Mark H.

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Willy-N

11-15-2004 13:38:04

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to harley, 11-15-2004 13:32:06

Thanks figured I would put my mouth where the weld was and tested it. Nice load for a Cat 1 Hitch! About as much as you could/would lift off the ground with a good hydraulic system. Mark H.

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Bernie in MA

11-15-2004 14:42:10

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2004 13:38:04

What's the tractor you're using? 800# on the back of my 2N made it barely steerable.

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Willy-N

11-15-2004 17:06:52

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Bernie in MA, 11-15-2004 14:42:10

It is a 1969 Massey Ferguson 135 Orchard with Gear Reduction rear end, High Low 3 speed, power steering, disk brakes, Differential lock, live PTO with ground speed also and Posision Control for the lift. I realy like it. I have 300 lbs of weight on the front end and the rear 18.5 X 16 rear tires are filled they add at least 1,600 lbs to the rear end. Mark H.

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RJ-AZ

11-15-2004 18:24:19

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to Willy-N, 11-15-2004 17:06:52

A PROPERLY ballasted tractor will do marvels with the right equipment. My friend had to build a spear for his loader for moving big square bales because no one made one for a small CNH import tractor.Handles em just fine and stacks them three high. The hydraukics on that MF are the best ever made on any tractor. Go for it Willy!!!

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Willy-N

11-15-2004 18:31:32

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Re: 3,000+ lb lift right off the Ball! Picture in reply to RJ-AZ, 11-15-2004 18:24:19

I have yet to stall them in a lift. The tractor will lift off the ground first. Not sure what they are rated to lift but it is a lot! Mark H.

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