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MapleStone

11-15-2004 06:46:02




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I have recently bought a new home with electric base board heat. Obviously I want to get another method of heating do to the cost of electricity.

This weekend I was talking to the local dealer for wood pellet stoves and supplies and he told me that he has a wood pellet/corn furnace that he wants to sell. He bought it on spec last year and hasn't sold it. I have a wood pellet stove and like it alot, matter of fact I can't say enough good about it.

I think I'd stay with the pellet fuel for now simply due to the ease of handling the pellets versus the corn.

I was wondering if anyone here has a pellet furnace and what their view is of it. I would like to hear the good, the bad and the ugly issues to do with it. And if you have advice for handling and using it with corn as well, I'd be interested in hearing from you.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Paul in Ontario

11-16-2004 02:58:28




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
MapleStone, what area of Ont are you located. I am near Windsor. Finding wheat or corn would be easy to source. Small gravity box wagons are also quite cheap at farm auctions. Can close one in quite easily.



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buickanddeere

11-15-2004 18:11:45




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
Where in the frozen North are you?



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MapleStone

11-16-2004 04:44:46




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to buickanddeere, 11-15-2004 18:11:45  
Hi Buickanddeere,

We've talked before, You're in Newcastle right?

I just moved north east of you to Concession 5 just east of the Newtonville road, known as Starkville.



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buickanddeere

11-16-2004 08:14:44




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-16-2004 04:44:46  
Maplestone

I have a good memory... it's just short.

We finally got out of the city/suburbs and back to the country summer of 2003. The transfer from Pickering to the Bruce took 12 years of scheming,begging and planning. Now I'm close to work with a hobby farm 45 minutes north of my other property and my Father's property. Wish we could have brought our castle from Newcastle. It was one of those monsters backing onto the Newcastle arena from the south side of the ravine. This &*^%$^** house is only 35 yeras old but has cost 20% of the price of a new home in repairs and still isn't done. Put an end to tractor projects and farm expansion for a while. Is Barb Taylor and family still running "Tractor Supply Company or what ever it's called? On Hwy #2 just east of Newtonville. restoration parts at great prices. And parts for odd makes that no one else has. While it doesn't bitter cold like Timmons there, it feels colder than 40 below with that damp raw wind sweeping in off the lake.

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MapleStone

11-16-2004 08:59:18




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to buickanddeere, 11-16-2004 08:14:44  
I've had terrible luck with those guys at Eastern Tractor Parts (I think that's what it's called.)!

I went there a couple of times looking for parts for my Oliver 60 (actually a Cockshutt 60) and the first girl I talked to had no idea what I was talking about, she'd never heard of such a model. The second time I talked to a guy who knew, without even touching a single parts book, that he couldn't get me any Oliver parts. I finally found a guy in Blackstock, Trewin Farm Equipment, that got me some parts. Maybe that Eastern place is fine if you own a Ford, MF, IH, AC or something else common to this area but I won't darken their door again.

Good to hear you like where you are and that you have some land to play with.

How are things at the Bruce? I worked for about 1 yr at Pickering NGS for Siemens as part of the Pickering A project. I hear it's easier to get things done at the Bruce now that it's privately owned.

Good talking to you.

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buickanddeere

11-16-2004 21:45:03




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-16-2004 08:59:18  
Store up your firewood and gas for the generator. Wonder what happened that day? The employees must have been mad at Barb and she wasn't there to keep them professional to the customers. They were certainly good to me. The Bruce is a happier site and most of the staff take some pride and ownership. Two medium sized units up in less than a year for $800 million. Pickering has been 5 years and is nearing 2 billion to get one small unit up and part way on another. Pickering has way too many b!tchy paranoid city people who are professional victims always whining.People work harder to find an excuse to stop and job than to do it. Moral is even lower after watching the company get stolen blind right from the contractors and consultants up to the Ontario legislature. If a full audit was done, dozens of people would got to jail for fraud. There been some cash go into off shore accounts too. Plus the creative book keeping here. The engineering firms have on some jobs billed the same "task" three times on just one unit. Now the exact same work is being done on unit 1 and being re and re-researched again and again. It was in today's paper again today with another delay and 10's of millions more for the unit one restart. Sad thing was, they were running fine when the crooks shut them down in

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Leland

11-15-2004 14:50:43




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
Look for a forced air unit that would do a better job heating your whole house.At farm & home they have a 200,000 btu unit for $1500 that is supposed to heat up to 2500 sq feet. I am looking at a forced air unit for outside,one I helped a buddy build does a great job he has a 2800 sq ft home and they have windows cracked at 0 some days. but I don't have time or get up and go to build one,and besides I can get all my wood already cut for free just have to split.

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MapleStone

11-15-2004 11:29:48




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
Here is a link to some info on the furnace I am looking at.

It's the GBU130



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Midwest redneck

11-15-2004 08:26:29




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
Also...does the wood pellet stove burn firewood too, I would think so. I dont know the size of the firebox of a pellet stove. Firewood is cheap, $40/facecord.



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MapleStone

11-15-2004 08:32:11




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-15-2004 08:26:29  
No, the fire box is only about 6 inches by 6 inches. It's not a wood furnace.

I have a pellet stove and understand how it works I am just looking for some experiences with a furnace.



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paul

11-15-2004 10:46:20




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 08:32:11  
D'oh!!! You had me confused earlier as well when you said you owned one after all, I didn't catch the stove vs furnace deal!

Here in Minnesota a stove really doesn't do much for a house when it's minus 20 outside - never really saw the point of a stove. Now a furnace, that I can see..... My house is radiators & water, so not just anything bolts in...

Is it an add-on unit, works in combo with your current furnace, or kind of seperate, or?

And yes, a pellet/corn fueled device is way different than a wood stove/furnace. They are not interchangable on fuel. At all.

--->Paul

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jim

11-15-2004 18:47:27




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to paul, 11-15-2004 10:46:20  
They also make boilers that run on corn, easy to hook to hot water heat. I forget who made it but it might had been a-maizing heat???



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MapleStone

11-15-2004 11:02:07




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to paul, 11-15-2004 10:46:20  
I guess I didn't make it very clear.

I bought a house with electric baseboard heaters, no furnace.

I have a wood pellet stove but it only heats 1 or 2 rooms.

I am familiar with pellet stoves, I just want input on pellet furnaces.

The furnace is a standalone unit, no add on. If I were to install the furnace I would still have the electric baseboards for backup heat.

I live in Ontario Canada and I too see serious winters temps.

Thanks for your input.

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paul

11-15-2004 18:27:30




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 11:02:07  
You were clear enough, just my attention span was all bad this week. ;)

So, you will need to be adding duct work to your house then? I think that would be the issue? I assume you are looking at forced air, not hot water?

--->Paul



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buickanddeere

11-15-2004 18:09:41




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 11:02:07  
A pellet forced air furnace would be also be called a coal stoker such as a Harman or Hitzer. Can't recall if Woodchuck and Newmatic have stokers but they do have units with grates that will burn lump coal or regular firewood. Oil backup is optional as is resistance electric backup heat in the hot air plenum at the furnace discharge. There is a dealer who advertises boilers in the Tri-Ad bi-weekly paper. To maintain reasonable home insurance rates, some people are putting an ordinary indoor furnace in a garden shed beside the house. Then ducting the hot air or hot water into the house. Sure saves the dirt, smoke,bugs and smell.

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buickanddeere

11-15-2004 07:42:03




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
While the manufacture won't mention it due to EPA emission requirements. Stoker coal will feed in a wood pellet/corn stove that feeds from underneath the firebed. Coal supplies alot of heat per lb and takes a smaller storage area.



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paul

11-15-2004 07:08:31




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 06:46:02  
A stove should last 15 years or more.

You need to buy fuel for a wood pellet. Kind of a specialty product.... corn has been and will be available for a long, long time....

I was at the box store yesterday, & 40 lbs of pellets cost $3.19.

They are offering $1.67 for 56 lbs of my corn today.

I'd sure look for a stove that can handle either fuel, not just wood pellets. Both reliable fuel supply, & fuel cost would be a bigger factor than the inital cost of the stove. Penny wise & pound foolish....

I've used neither, so just my simple opinion. :)

--->Paul

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MapleStone

11-15-2004 08:23:46




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to paul, 11-15-2004 07:08:31  
I can see all of those benefits but the downsides of corn are pretty big in my mind.

Handling - Where can you purchase corn bagged? I have no means of handling bulk.

Rodents - Corn is food, wood pellets are not. If you fill you basement with corn you will undoubtedly have problems with mice.

Cleanliness - Corn hulls can make a big mess where as pellets are fairly clean with minimal dust.

These are the major reasons I'm thinking that I would stay with pellets for now.

Thanks for replying, I appreciate it.

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Leland

11-15-2004 14:57:21




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 08:23:46  
What you need is a 150 bushel feed bin to store your corn in. And you could rig up a small auger to bring in corn and seal it up to keep out unwanted pests.And best part your feed dealer can fill this bin with delivery truck. And all you have to do is flip switch and fill hopper on stove.



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paul

11-15-2004 10:39:03




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 08:23:46  
I agree with several of your negatives on corn - myself. :) Supply is not an issue - I am surrounded by 1000's of bushels.... You can buy a small gravity wagon for $500, holds 150-200 bu, put a tarp over it, & enjoy cheap fuel assuming there is corn grown near you - if of course you don't mind your other negatives.... I'd love to sell you all you want, slip me a few bills - think you will not have a problem there.

I actually use a wood furnace (boiler), and corncobs from my corncrib as well as wood. I'm not sure either a pellet or corn stove would be for me currently. :)

--->Paul

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Mike M

11-15-2004 09:30:11




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 Re: Wood Pellet Furnaces in reply to MapleStone, 11-15-2004 08:23:46  
I have heard that some are buying outdated seed corn at a big discount,it is allready bagged and moisture is lower.



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