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front tire size in mud

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naz

11-12-2004 03:49:07




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Hi all,I was curious if anyone had to use larger tire size to keep the front end from plowing in the mud.I have 600-16 on my m/f 235 now but it's like riding a bicycle in mud.Any suggestions on tire size.Thanks,
Naz




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naz/thanks all

11-13-2004 04:24:15




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
Thanks all for you replies,I am limited to mostly summer months when dry, otherwise the yard stays wet most of the year.Not sloppy mud but enuogh to ruin my day!Thanks again,
naz



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Allyn in OK

11-12-2004 10:13:44




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
The biggest factor in mud is tire pressure. Bigger tires alone don"t help that much unless tire pressure is reduced to spread the load over a bigger area. With duals on the rear set at 5 psi and big car tires on the front set at 8, I would sink half way to my knees when walking away after getting stuck. You still get stuck, but you are a lot closer to the center of the mud hole when you do.



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glenlisa@quixnet.net

11-12-2004 10:09:52




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
Large tire helps but air pressure is also the lbs per square in contact pressure. So a larger tire allows lower pressure per square inch to carry the same load. Some people have their tires aired up to the max stated on the sidewall when it isn't needed or desired. The Firestone data book states tire pressure for size and load. Smaller ruts could be just a few hisses away.



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Gerald J.

11-12-2004 07:11:21




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
I put 11L-16 on 8" wide rims on my MF-135 with MF-236 loader. In soft ground (not liquid mud) they did stay up on top much better than the 6.50-16 that came on it. I found rims with an offset so that the inside of the tire was just about the same place with those wide rims as it had been with the narrow rims and didn't have any problem with mud collection or dragging.

Since then I've moved that loader to my JD 4020 where its a better fit and at first I moved those tires and rims. But when rotary hoeing, the wagon tires were not good at steering. Then I went to 11.00-16 on the 4020 and it both steers and floats well. Four rib.

Gerald J.

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Phil in MS

11-12-2004 10:25:05




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to Gerald J., 11-12-2004 07:11:21  
Gerald,

Where did you find the offset wheels? Where they new or used? Firestone's website engineer indicates that I need 11L -16 tires for my MF 255 and loader. That has a rim size of 8 X 16. Thanks,



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Gerald J.

11-14-2004 07:41:33




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 Re: wheel offset in reply to Phil in MS, 11-12-2004 10:25:05  
I did an inventory of rims yesterday. The original MF-135 fronts had 2" offset, about 4" back spacing. The 4020 fronts had 4" back and about 4" front spacing for near zero, probably 1/8" offset.

I bought one new and one used because the store with the new rims had only one as did the use place (for the same prices).

Gerald J.



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Gerald J.

11-12-2004 21:08:51




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to Phil in MS, 11-12-2004 10:25:05  
I think they were 1-1/4 or 2-1/4" offset. But I checked the back clearance distance separately. One I bought at a truck and implement wheel store in Des Moines, the other from a used parts place at Colfax. I don't know if the wheel store still exists, and In know the Colfax store is gone.

I think they were the same as listed at Central Tractor (now value built). Their recent catalog shows 1-1/8" offset. I guess I'd work it out this way. A zero offset 6" rim would have the mounting nearly 3" from one edge (neglecting center thickness). A 1" offset 8" rim would have the mounting surface 3" from one and 5" from the other edge. So the 3" edge would fit about the same on both. On my 4020, I remember that the wheel weights made to fit inside the curve of the rim center fit on the outside, so I'm running those rims essentially reversed. On my MF-135 those weights would need to fit next to the spindle, but the ones I have aren't shaped to clear the bottom of the spindle. So I hung them on the outside but they don't fit well there and do stick out.

A 10" wide rim would need to have 2" or more offset to fit. I see them also at Shoup, www.shoupparts.com.

The rim shop at Radcliffe Iowa can make them with any offset for $62. That's what they told me today when I asked about 5 bolt centers and 8 bolt centers on 8x16 rims.

Gerald J.

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Phil in MS

11-12-2004 06:54:28




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
Keep in mind too that a larger tire may fit your wheel but when placed on the hub my rub the axle if it bulges too much. I have the same problem with my MF 255 and a new loader.



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Leroy

11-12-2004 05:17:04




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
I know that several years ago we had a very wet fall and trying to pick corn with a 1 row pull type picker, we had different wagons all small, 125 bu. size and the one with the 6:00 X 16" we could not use as it would bury but the ones with 10 X 15" light truck tires would hold up and ride over the top. The same is with duals on rear you can float over the top but single will cut in. Several year ago also on plowed ground wet spring with grount getting very green with weeds had to get it tore up Dad with duals on his AR JD with 8' field cultivator he would stay on top but Me with A JD with no duals pulling an identical field cultivator would be cutting tracts to plow depth, a lot depends on stick factor of mud, low stick factor more foot print will ride over

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Nebraska Cowman

11-12-2004 03:54:18




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to naz, 11-12-2004 03:49:07  
mud is mud. With a bigger tire you just plow a wider furrow



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Leland

11-12-2004 05:43:52




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-12-2004 03:54:18  
How true even with goodyears 4 feet wide you still leave large ruts.



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naz

11-12-2004 04:01:18




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 Re: front tire size in mud in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-12-2004 03:54:18  
I'v heard of people useing a larger tire but didn't know if it would make any difference for me?Maybe I'll put the 600-16 on the bike?



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