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Indydirtfarmer

10-29-2004 10:06:00




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Since taking over farming the family farm in 1994, I've always hired a custom sprayer to do all my chemical applications. I'm planning on continuing with that plan for the most part. I want to be able to do some small "spot-spraying", (mostly "Round-Up" and 2,4 D.) I'm going to build a small spray rig this winter. 3 point hitch mounted, about 150 to 200 gallon tank, and a folding boom that's a 7' center section. and a pair of 8' outer "wings". I have a good idea of what I want, but would like to look at a few idea's from other sources. Anyone have a good link to manufacturers of sprayers? Any pictures of YOUR home-made unit? Just collecting ideas, and using all the best ones. Thanks in advance. John

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Cliff Neubauer

10-29-2004 19:35:47




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
We have a 1,000 gallon 60' wide sprayer that I spray about 4,000 acres a year with. Our's has a 5 gallon clean water tank and I wouldn't go without it or even a smaller one. Also our 3 section boom has a 100 mesh T line strainer in the supply hose to each section as well as a strainer on the fill line and one after the pump, with these strainers I only have one or two plugged nozzles a year and the big strainers are alot easier to clean than a strainer in each nozzle. Our sprayer also has hydraulic lift and fold on the booms, the hydraulic lift is a must so you can adjust for tall weeds or rough terrain and the hydrualic fold booms are nice because you don't have to walk around in the field you just sprayed to fold the booms. One thing I would do would be to mount the nozzles above the bottom of the boom frame so if the booms happen to hit something you won't break a nozzle body. Another thing I would do would be to plumb in a hand held wand with a 30' hose so you can spot spray around buildings or in remote areas. Also use only plastic or stainless steel plumbing parts and I really like Rectorseal for sealing pipe threads on sprayer parts.

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Jerry/MT

10-29-2004 19:20:13




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
North Dakota State University (NDSU)Extention has a website (www.ext.nodak.edu/ageng/machine/ae73-2.htm) that discusses sprayer systems including all the components that are used for the various types of available pumps. I think you would find it useful for your project. Using Roundup will require a pump made using corrosion resistant materials because, as I understand it, Roundup is an acid and it will eat up cast iron in a relatively short period of time. Hope this helps.

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JMS/MN

10-29-2004 15:05:21




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
Regarding the issue of having a way to clean nozzles and carry clean water: If you have an air tank in the shop to fill tires, etc.- I carry one on the sprayer, it is equipped with the Milton connector- I just pop in the blow nozzle instead of the tire filler. I also fill it with Milton connectors- the air compressor and shop lines are all Miltons, one double-ended fills the air tank. A jug of clean water on the sprayer boom lets you rinse off when working on nozzles.

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T_Bone

10-29-2004 14:14:20




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 Re: Your Trailer Brake Answer in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
Hi John,

To answer your brake question, better late than never they say.

To me yes your wear is excessive but I haven't bought new shoes in 15yrs. I need shoes and drums now, prolly bearings and seals too, but I'm going to buy new axles as it's cheaper than reparing what I have plus I now need heavier axles.

You would have to measure your drums and your shoes to see which is wearing faster. If it's the shoes then there should be a better after market shoe available, reline yours???

I also remember seeing a self adjuster on the new Dexter axles??? Wow that sounds correct but I've looked at so many axle configurations this past few months you need to double check that. Maybe on the torsion axle??? CRS

If you use your brakes manualy like I do, it would be good to check the controller setting as suggested by the other guys. If you had too much BC gain to where when you manualy apply at 25mph you should feel a slight pull on the trailer, no more.

If your gain is set too high then you would feel a hard pull on the trailer at 25mph thus your shoes would also be wearing faster. Depends on what shoes cost vs pads for the truck and if you like adjusting the brakes.

I have to adjust mine about every 5000 miles or so on 8k GVW, but I'm a slow driver or as my son says "geez your gonna get cob webs if you go any slower"

T_Bone

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Indydirtfarmer

10-29-2004 14:49:01




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 Re: Your Trailer Brake Answer in reply to T_Bone, 10-29-2004 14:14:20  
Thanks T_Bone! I'm going to pull the drums this weekend, and see what's what. They aren't self-adjusters, I do know that for sure. At 10 t0 15 MPH, I get a hard jerk when I apply the brakes. By 25 or 30, I don't feel them at all. 50MPH +, and they might as well not even be there. Something is amiss. I'm thinking about springing for a new controller. The only thing preventing me from doing that is the same controller works well with 2 other trailers we have, and the trailer in question does the same thing behind my sons truck (Identicle to mine)

I'll post my "findings" if I ever "find" anything. Thanks again. John

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T_Bone

10-29-2004 16:06:24




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 Re: Your Trailer Brake Answer in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 14:49:01  
Hi John,

Read Ray's reply as I think he read it correct as you have a wiring problem on the trailer, probably a bad ground. Frame grounds are not allowed. The ground wire has to be seperate wire that runs the full length.

Trailer wired correct according to Dexter?

Could be in the 7pin plug.

If you have a DVOM take a voltage measurement before you start tearing down or move the gain control.

Measure the positive as well as the negitive side as see if you get the same numbers, or close.

No DVOM, then use a 12v test lite and watch for the brightness.

Then go back to each brake and repeat the test on each brake lead.

Take a compass and see if each brake has eddy currents around the magnets. The compass needle will move when the brakes are applied with the compass held close by.

If the voltage reading is close or the brightness and the compass needle moves strong then look for a mechanical problem.

Even if it does check out I would still take a inspection look inside each brake.

T_Bone

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Indydirtfarmer

10-29-2004 16:48:11




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 Re: Your Trailer Brake Answer in reply to T_Bone, 10-29-2004 16:06:24  
T_Bone and Ray, YOU DA MAN! I went out and started checking things on the trailer. I figured that I'd start with the simple stuff first.

That'd be the 7 pin plug....

I took it apart carefully. I found a couple stray strands of copper wire, one from the ground wire, and another from the constant hot, that were touching other connectors where they shouldn't have. I hooked up the trailer, and towed it around the block.

IT WORKS LIKE IT DID THE DAY I BOUGHT IT!

Thanks a million. That's what this site is all about! The collective knowledge of everyone on here is a life-saver.

Once again, thanks. John

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James in NC

10-29-2004 12:31:29




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
A small tank containing fresh water might be a nice convenience. If fitted with a ball valve at the bottom you could you it to rinse your hands or clean clogged up nozzles, etc. It sounds to me like one of things that you will find many uses for once on the sprayer. Just an idea.



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Hound

10-29-2004 11:15:44




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
I.D.

...lots of good ideas so far. Around here they go at sales fairly cheap. Another idea is to put a tip on each end of your boom facing away from your tractor. (with shutoffs). This allows you to spray "into" a fence line and around trees, buildings without having to be over top and so close to the object. Good Luck.Hound



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TimV

10-29-2004 10:59:48




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
Indy: Northern Tool sells a bunch of sprayers--you might get some ideas from there. www.northerntool.com is their website. I've "borrowed" ideas from there lots of times.



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Phil in MS

10-29-2004 10:33:14




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
I might scratch the booms and go with cluster nozzles. We have good results in pastures and around fences. Don't have to worry about hanging up on posts, limbs, trees or even equipment just setting in the pasture.
Phil



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rustyfarmall

10-29-2004 10:12:59




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:06:00  
I like your idea but do you really need to start from scratch on this thing? Those 3 point mounted sprayers seem to pop up on farm sales all the time, most of them could be useable again with just a little work.



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Indydirtfarmer

10-29-2004 10:36:23




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-29-2004 10:12:59  
I've got a couple tanks, and the 3 point "carry-all" frame. I've got a great idea for a boom system (plastic) and a good pump. If I see one at a sale between now and the time I plan on starting, it may become a "donor" for my home-made one.

About as much as anything, I'm doing it as one of my "winter projects". John



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Jay (ND)

10-29-2004 11:48:11




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:36:23  
Sounds to me like you have most of what you will need. Should be a simple build.

Here's a few things I like.

Height adjustable booms. Just a tube in a tube, with pins or set screws to keep them at a certain height. Good for avoiding drift in any height of stuff.

Shut offs on each section of boom, so you can get close, only do half as much, etc.

With 8 feet end booms, I would suggest folding them upwards, but double folding. I like folding them up because if you have to spray trees, you just put it up. The double fold will probably be necessary to get it into a building.

And the last thing which is a must, is a hand sprayer.

Have a good day.

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John (C-IL)

10-29-2004 11:15:43




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 Re: Sprayer question in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-29-2004 10:36:23  
Hey John, I've got a 300 gallon 3PTH with a 21 foot boom that's sitting in the shed. I may be will to part with for $100. Good frame and tank. Plumbing needs to be redone. No pump. Not sure what is left of the controls.



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