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A little of topic but need some help!

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Robert E. Smith

10-24-2004 10:28:35




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I've got a 92 Chevy 1 ton truck with the 4L80E automatic transmission in it,the truck has 139,00 miles on it and runs great but The trans has recently developed a problem, shifts fine thru all gears but once in overdrive it will start hunting like it don't know if it wants to stay in overdrive or 3rd gear, changed fluid and filter did'nt help, been told this trans is controled by a speed sensor,the distributor and a throttle position sensor. to just start replacing these one at a time would be very costly! So was wondering if anybody has had a like problem with there truck and could offer any info? Oh! I did check the codes and it's not showing anything.
Sorry for the off topic post! But could really use my truck! and I thought what better place to ask a question about a truck than with a bunch of guys that all have trucks?

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raytasch

10-24-2004 12:14:10




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Robert E. Smith, 10-24-2004 10:28:35  
I had those exact symptoms on a Blazer. It was throttle position sensor. Went through he!! with Chevy before they finally agreed something was wrong and got a driveability expert who figured out what it was.
ray



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Robert E. Smith

10-24-2004 13:59:39




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to raytasch, 10-24-2004 12:14:10  
Really! Thats cool !!!!
Well not cool that you had the problem! but cool that somebody knows what I'm going thru !
I'll sure give that a try !
Man it would be good to have my truck back up and running!
Heck I thought about just selling it as is and taking what I could get because I didn't really have the money to replace the tranny !
If this works I will for sure owe you one !
I knew posting here would help me out! What better place to ask a question about a truck than to a bunch of guy's that all use them!
Thanks Bob

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raytasch

10-24-2004 11:29:00




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Robert E. Smith, 10-24-2004 10:28:35  
I had those exact symptoms on a Blazer. It was throttle position sensor. Went through he!! with Chevy before they finally agreed something was wrong and got a driveability expert who figured out what it was.
ray



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Allan in NE

10-24-2004 11:01:20




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Robert E. Smith, 10-24-2004 10:28:35  
Hi Robert,

That truck won't throw a tranny code, I don't believe.

The only thing that controls the transmission is the ECM and the manual shift shaft; those other gizmos all input to the ECM for it to use in it's calculations.

Have you looked at your fuel filter? Sounds like it is maybe getting plugged up to me. Are your up-shifts just a tad late too? Engine maybe a little weak in the knees too?

If you need more help, post back and I'll try to walk you thru the trouble tree,

Allan

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Robert E. Smith

10-24-2004 18:28:49




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-24-2004 11:01:20  
Thanks Allen I'm definately going to change the fuel filter,
it looks like it's have never been changed before.
What your saying about how the ECM reads the throttle position makes a lot of sense!
And a fuel filter is cheap and wouldnt hurt a thing to be changed anyway!
Thanks again and I'll give it a try!
Man what happenend to the old day's! If you were getting fuel, spark and the tire's held air you were good to go!
Life sure has got complicated Huh?
Bob

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Allan in NE

10-25-2004 04:58:59




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Robert E. Smith, 10-24-2004 18:28:49  
Mornin' Bob,

Yes Sir, that's for sure; the good old days are just plain gone, I guess. :>(

But then on the other hand, when the iron was switched over to electronic control, the fuel/air ratio was accurately controlled and the overdriven, locked-converter type transmissions dropped that engine speed by 27%, it sure put an end to all those burnt valves, it cut the bad alternator bearings in half and it really stopped those engines from being completely wobbled out at about 50,000 miles too.

From my end tho, those GM trannys sure made me a lot of money over the years. I could never understand why GM bull-headily insisted on using those "lipped" seals, which would fail like clockwork. You could almost write it on your calendar when it would be time to trade again.

Ol' Henry Ford had it figured out a long time ago when he plugged in those square-cut seals; 'cause they just plain last a lot longer. :>)

Hope you get your truck goin',

Allan

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Robert E. Smith

10-24-2004 13:47:14




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Allan in NE, 10-24-2004 11:01:20  
Don't really think it a fuel problem?
Motor runs strong and towed good right up to the point tranny started acting up!
But hey! Thats an easy and cheap try! and couldn't hurt a thing even if it didn't fix it, don't think it's ever been changed form the looks of it!
Thatnks Bob



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Allan in NE

10-24-2004 14:35:31




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Robert E. Smith, 10-24-2004 13:47:14  
Hi Bob,

While like the other boys have said, it is true that a lot of things can be causing your difficulty and while I'm not there and I cannot 'feel' what your truck is doing, I've just gotta tell ya though, that a clogged fuel filter is the biggest headache an electric transmission has.

In order to obtain (and maintain) any given speed, the operator must hold the accelerator pedal further down than he normally would otherwise have to. This action, of course, will cause the ECM to see that ‘odd’ signal from the TPS and interprets it as though the operator wants 'more acceleration'.

Since the signal coming from the speed sensor is indicating a slower speed than what normally corresponds to the ECM’s preset parameters for that particular gear, that particular TPS signal and at that particular speed, the ECM will then drop the transmission down a gear trying to “comply” to this falsely interpreted demand.

So I guess what I am trying to say, is that the very first place one would look for electronic transmission trouble, other than a “no move” symptom, is that darned fuel filter. This is especially true for transmission shift & drivability concerns.

I’m just tryin’ to help, :>)

Allan

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Leon in Mn.

10-24-2004 10:47:21




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Robert E. Smith, 10-24-2004 10:28:35  
I had this trouble a couple of times up here in Mn. when the weather gets a little cooler. When cold, the auto transmission would work just fine, then when the vehicle gets warm, the computer senses this and allows overdrive and or lockup torque converter to engage. In my case a simple coolant thermostat was going bad but I did not notice it until cooler temps came outside. The ECM senses warm and cold coolant temps as the thermostat opens and closes, thus turning off the overdrive and lockup feature. This would not set off a light or set a code because the ECM just thinks it is a cold engine again. The rush of cooler air through the radiator cools the engine down again far enough to put it in "open loop" and the process repeats itself all over again. You might want to TRY this first. It might be your culprit. Good luck.
Leon in Mn.

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Robert E. Smith

10-24-2004 14:04:01




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 Re: A little of topic but need some help! in reply to Leon in Mn., 10-24-2004 10:47:21  
Had a problem once with the cooling sensor!
Was screwing up the fuel injection!
Found a wire broke off end of it! Actually there is two of them! one in manifold and one in the head.
I'll check them out !
Thanks Bob



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