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Leland

10-23-2004 08:23:47

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send me your last post before the sencorship police that can't handle the truth erase this again.

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Paul in Mich

10-24-2004 06:40:17

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:23:47

Leland, I "ve read all of your responses to everyone, and I won"t say much, but I will say that I"m so glad you included my name in your original post as it singles me out as one who is opposes to your point of view 180 deg. In fact, it isn"t even a point of view, it is as IDF and I said before nothing but pure BIGOTRY on your part. So you don"t like the way the Amish CHOOSE to live, then don"t deal with them, dont talk to them, dont associate with them, because I"m sure they wont miss you either. They are not slaves, but choose their lifestyle. I do hope Kim keeps this thread for posterity rather than wack it because I would like everyone to see the perfect example of bigotry. I do not defend crime, regardless of who commits it, but your post would suggest that a crime done by one group of people is worse than if committed by someone else and the crime for which you call attention to is committed in every community, Amish or not, yet you do not condemn anyone but the Amish. That, my friend, is bigotry, not at its best as IDF stated, but at its very worst.

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Leland

10-24-2004 07:59:15

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Paul in Mich, 10-24-2004 06:40:17

Oh Paul ain't life grand like you said we can agree once in a while but call me a biggot and amish hater but you could not be further from the truth. Like I have said before you need to get out more and see for your self what really goes on from day to day when they are not acting for us english as they call us. And you said they are not slaves , or is that obey a egomanic biship that thinks he only knows what good for the rest. The things they get away with are just sicking bacause of there beliefs like locking there retarded children up in a barn while the rest of the family goes out to field to work am I still a biggot for thinking this is wrong? Any other parents in america would be jailed for treating a child this way so why are they allowed to get away with it ? but call me a biggot again . You can try to make me look like a dumb insane monster but I have saw this before with my own eyes ,and it has turned my guts inside out before. but Paul as long as people defend there right to treat people like this it will go on ,but as I have learned it's easier to turn a blind eye then solve the problem and attack the one bring up a problem that exists,so paul you have your say about this and I have mine .

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have to respond

10-25-2004 02:43:24

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-24-2004 07:59:15

so what then have you done beside toot your own horn on this board?

Have you talked to your commissioners, sheriffs office, social worker, congress people to make a change?

Turning a back in person is much more different than turning your back on the internet. If you have done nothing more than spout off here on the board, you aren't looking at paul when you post, your looking at yourself in the mirror. If you have, then you have done what you could and the matter is in the hands of the powers that be.

Nuff said

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Leland

10-25-2004 04:45:43

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to have to respond, 10-25-2004 02:43:24

There afraid by stepping in it will make them look bad after all,the amish they vote and pay taxes to.And like every thing else that goes on today it's easier to bury it than deal with it am I right or am I wrong. and if I am tooting my own horn so is the other 98.5% of others on this site including yourself toot toot.

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old fashioned farmer

10-23-2004 11:48:01

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:23:47

Howdy folks,

We have a few Amish folks in and around the area here in S. Ohio. One in particular lives on a main state road. I always loved to go by there in the summer in hopes of seein them out workin on binding wheat or corn or out plowin. It's a little disappointing these days though. The fella who lives there is havin more and more of his work hired out. I saw a big ford tractor and round baler baling his alfalfa last summer, I think some neighbor combines his wheat and I believe he has a pull type picker rigged up instead of the old binder. I hate to see that. I loved the fact that they did stuff the old way. Now, the rigs are so modern and the hirin out so frequent that they might as well do things like everyone else. Shame that even among a group that held on to their traditions for so long, modernization had to sneak its way in. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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buickanddeere... not the

10-23-2004 09:51:58

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:23:47

Got this &%^*()&$%& other spare computer limping along again. Still can't download e-mail but it will at least connect to the net now. Have "identical" 98SE on this one but the place to enter the server pop3 info can't be found? A weeks vacation in the summer, a lightening strike frying my equipment, moose hunting and a mystery crash last week. And my thanks for all that trouble is to get crapped on by someone accusing me of being the real ron. leland, study the ID numbers. txblu and someone else who came to my rescue about a week ago. Thankyou. I can read the posts here from work but the user password just won't send messages out through the network at work. As for the Amish and people in general. There are all kinds in every society. Unfortunately people are people no matter where or when all through history. The Amish are getting so inbred around here and suffering from "maple sugar disease". That the elders have hired "studs" to improve the bloodlines. The thing that bothers me the most about the Amish and some other societies in the "western world". Is that women are 2nd class citizens with few rights and little respect. I've heard even a modern Mennonite women say " well I'm just a women". The men have so little respect they just walk right into the house from the barn boots on for every meal. They expect the women to scrub the floor each time rather than they remove their boots. The list just goes on from there.

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Leland

10-23-2004 19:46:33

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to buickanddeere... not the , 10-23-2004 09:51:58

B&D in the words of Bruce Willis damn glad to see yw boy.

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New-Gen

10-23-2004 15:58:13

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to buickanddeere... not the , 10-23-2004 09:51:58

You hit the nail right on the head. I've dealt with Amish people off and on for the past 20 years. They definatly have no respect whatsoever for women, and that goes for ALL women, not just their own. But try to get some people to believe that.
How's the weather up in your part of Canada?

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buickanddeere

10-24-2004 22:03:36

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to New-Gen, 10-23-2004 15:58:13

New Gen

Winter is coming but with the way my computer is running you may never know. Soybeans are off at about 50 bushels to the acre which is excellent for way up here. Sowed winter wheat for next year. Just have to finish the shed/barn utilities and pens and move the critters in. Been spending alot of extra time at work doing reactor core inspections. As a picture beats a thousand words, give this link a try.

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Tim in NB

10-25-2004 05:26:46

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to buickanddeere, 10-24-2004 22:03:36

Do you work for OPG? I work for NB Power @ Point Lepreau.

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buickanddeere

10-25-2004 06:38:51

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Tim in NB, 10-25-2004 05:26:46

New Gen I had a tour through your station in the summer of 96 when down there for a wedding. The feeder hub replacement success was still being celebrated at that time. I was suprised at how small turbine hall was. Clean station, I"m used to rubber areas all over the place. Different than seeing four units in a row under one roof. An Advanced 900 would look good to make a pair there. What is your claim to fame down there? I was impressed at the Moose fence for miles along the highway into the plant. Enjoyed the fresh seafood too. The landlubbers I was with wouldn"t eat anything but roast beef and potatoes however. I finally got out of Pickering Nuclear after 12 years where moral is in the toilet and cost over runs due to ineptness and corruption has just about finished breaking the company. The American advisors the company hired ran the whole nuclear division into the ground. And left us with 8 units shut down that should be running. The same people didn"t mind selling us coal power at peak rates to replace our missing nuclear power. I did alot of work on Pickering U4 but left just before it went critical. It"s interesting to read what"s in the papers while knowing what"s going on about U1 restart. It"s an all together different place at the Bruce site. People actually try to get things done out of pride and personal responsibility. The 750 (net) MW U3 & U4 units have been restarted for only $800 million. Pickering has sunk $2 billion plus into getting one 510MW (net) running. I was lucky and got wiggled back close to home here by getting transferred into ISD or IMS or what ever they call us this week. Doing control tech work on the Universal Delivery Machine and Mini Slar. Busy doing "slar" on U6 as we speak. I guess AECL does your core inspections? I"ve heard rumours that those tubes and boilers down there are getting ready for replacement? Lots of politics with the coal plant, federal & provincial gov"t votes plus the b!tching from PEI about a CANDU nearby. Rumours of a four unit 1000MW WestingHouse lightwater plant going in here as Bruce C Station. May take the used fuel pellets and run them through the heavy water reactors after changing the fuel cladding. About 2-1/2 rings north of Goderich.
http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=WSO

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Tim in NB

10-26-2004 14:57:56

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to buickanddeere, 10-25-2004 06:38:51

I am a field operator at the station.

I read the story somewhere on the guys they hired and the amount of money that was paid and will be paid in pensions by OPG.

Our government has to make a decision by the end of this year wether or not they are going to refurbish the plant. The coal plant was supposed to be done at the end of this year but got a 5 year extension providing "nothing major breaks down".

The contractors we hire for our ice plugs were telling us that they couldn't believe we could go in the reactor building in civies. Like you said rubber areas in other plants. I have actually sat on the floor doing testing on airlocks in civies and never got crapped up.

NB power just hired one of the lads from pickering to give input on our refurbishment so we do not make the same mistakes and cost over runs. I doubt they will ever build a second unit here.

Aecl does do our feeder tube inspections and replacements down here.

Take care and I will talk atcha later!

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Van in AR

10-23-2004 10:16:01

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to buickanddeere... not the , 10-23-2004 09:51:58

B&D, You are welcome, I knew that you were not the RealRon. Its not in your character and the IP numbers did not match.
Van

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Dug

10-23-2004 09:21:36

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:23:47

Hey Leland,

What happened with the political posts? I was gone a few days, when I returned it seems as though a taboo was placed on them. What did I miss?

Dug

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Leland

10-23-2004 19:44:30

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Dug, 10-23-2004 09:21:36

Just go to abcnews.com and type amish rape in search.

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Allan in NE

10-23-2004 08:34:37

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:23:47

"He!! hath no fury like that of a woman's scorn", or somthin' like that. :>)

Allan

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Mike (WA)

10-23-2004 14:40:32

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Allan in NE, 10-23-2004 08:34:37

Allan, I think its "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". But I like your version, too!

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Leland

10-23-2004 08:43:58

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Allan in NE, 10-23-2004 08:34:37

Tell me about it but paul is so fun to argue with not only can he dish it out he can 1/2 way take it I guess us discussing amish must be a sacred cow.

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T_Bone

10-23-2004 09:50:51

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:43:58

Leland, I asked that the thread be removed as it was very offensive to me as it was no where near a discussion, only a witch hunt of the Amish people in general.

I don't remember anyone ever stating they were Amish so that means they were not here to defend themselfs nor should they required to do so.

In the 7yrs I've been on the ytmag website, I had never read such a hateful thread until I read your replys!

T_Bone

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Leland

10-23-2004 20:03:59

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to T_Bone, 10-23-2004 09:50:51

T bone sorry your so thin skinned, but this is not hate ,but the way amish elders treat there people is offensive to me. They think of themselves as kings and the rest of the people should bow to them. So if you think I hateful so be it it's your right to do so ,but guess who does not have that right those poor people dominated by a bishop. Like I said I have spent a graet deal of time around them working at a coop and have been to several of there farms on deliverys. And the amish can try to defend there selves Some of the technology that some have in the barns would blow your mind, and don't forget direct tv out there to. and I could go on n on but some people would rather bury there head in the sand and look the other way. but the truth as ugly as it is and not hateful is that is a shame those people let a few treat them like rugs. But it would not happen if we would require all amish children where required to get 12 full years of school away from the reach of the elders and then I would say that posts like this would not ever have to be posted ever again bacasue an educated person would not be treated like they live in a 3rd world country. Now toughen up that skin I am not a biggot or an amish hater I just hate they most are treated even lincoln freed the slaves.

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tlak

10-23-2004 13:42:43

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to T_Bone, 10-23-2004 09:50:51

"they were not here to defend themselfs"
Looks like this applies to all the discussions here unless we go to talking about each other.

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Leland

10-23-2004 22:35:06

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to tlak, 10-23-2004 13:42:43

Oh they can defend there selves just fine some barns have more stuff going that allen in NE and dishes to boot.and go ahead and talk thats what make this great most of us can handle it . They already labled me as a biggot- offending- and probley a racist and next a atheisit bacause most things that happen is pure luck and they give god to much credit when some thing just happen to go there way for once. but that is life and we all see it different but we can still agree from time to time .How boring would life be if we acted and spoke the same about every thing that would really suck now would'nt it.

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RAB

10-23-2004 12:02:53

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to T_Bone, 10-23-2004 09:50:51

T_Bone,
You were not the only one to write to Kim.
If only people could just get on with their own lives. If they wish to discuss topics like that, to do it in private where they can be ignored by everyone else, not on an open forum where they show themselves as they really are to anyone who may be unfortunate enough to come aross the thread.
Regards, RAB

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Leland

10-24-2004 08:21:11

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to RAB, 10-23-2004 12:02:53

RAB Would you been one of those standing in the front row when hitler burned books bacause he did not like content?

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 10:00:08

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to T_Bone, 10-23-2004 09:50:51

Did you remove mine too? Just wondering. I didn't see them as offensive (mine) but I never saw any resposes either. Just curious as to why? No one seems to want to answer me.

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Leland

10-24-2004 08:23:15

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Sloroll, 10-23-2004 10:00:08

Sloroll for some the truth is a sore spot and they would rather deny the problem then confront it head on.

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BobR

10-23-2004 12:12:01

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Sloroll, 10-23-2004 10:00:08

Although I have not directly delt with the Amish, I do know that there is good and bad in all groups of people, and while the bad have deserved the criticism that they get and more, it is unfair to lump everyone from that group in with a few bad apples. Just my .02, Bob

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Indydirtfarmer

10-23-2004 10:50:01

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Sloroll, 10-23-2004 10:00:08

Don't take it personal.... Whenever ONE post in a long thread gets too far over the line, the entire thread will be "skilleted". That's the way things go. Kim tries to keep the hate-mongering to a minimum. Good luck with that KIM!

I'm not siding with, or against the Amish, or any other ethnic or religious group. I AM, however going to say my piece.

It is a true sign of ignorance when someone condemns an entire race/creed of people because of the actions of a few. Or for that matter, the actions that they see in their little world.

That wreaks of "Hitler-ism".

Like I said, I have dealt with the Amish. I'm not an advocate of their religion, social system, or justice system. I DO believe that they must stand before a higher power, but they must also conform to the modern world. (And NOT just as a matter of convienience to themselves)

That being said, I see it as almost as bad, when a group starts to "gang up on them" without knowing of what they speak.

"He who lives in a glass house, should not throw stones". John

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Leland

10-23-2004 20:16:21

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-23-2004 10:50:01

Yes I live in a glass house,but I have good aim. Now read my responce to T bone at least we have the right to express our feelings while others living down the road are forbidden from ever doing so.

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Paul in Mich

10-23-2004 12:02:07

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-23-2004 10:50:01

IDF, My response to Leland was in essense the same as yours in that I find it to be nothing short of bigotry and hatred to condemn a whole race or a whole group or sect of people simply because of the actions of a few. When we attempt to shake out the shortcommings of others, quite often what we hear are the rattling of the skeletons in our own closet.

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Leland

10-23-2004 20:10:24

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Paul in Mich, 10-23-2004 12:02:07

Just read my responce to T Bone maybe this will clear this up. this is a nice change from Kerry and Bush anyway now that offends me anymore.

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Indydirtfarmer

10-23-2004 13:20:05

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Paul in Mich, 10-23-2004 12:02:07

Bigotry and hatred are the end result of ignorance and lack of understanding. That would be a great NEGATIVE for the person who IS the bigot. Gee...should we then hate and mistrust the BIGOT?

Sometimes the wisest words come from the most unexpected source.

Enter Rodney King; "Why can't we all just get along"?

John

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Leland

10-23-2004 20:06:28

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-23-2004 13:20:05

Just read my responce to T bone

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Indydirtfarmer

10-24-2004 04:47:31

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 20:06:28

SO....Your opinion is that IF the Amish lived JUST LIKE YOU, they would be a better people....

That my friend, is BIGOTRY at it's best.

John

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Leland

10-24-2004 08:04:56

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-24-2004 04:47:31

No not like me but a choice to live as they chose not being told to take every step to take where to shop who they can and can not speak to you know the right to chose there even told who to vote for they have no choice but the elders favorite .

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 11:26:31

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Re: Leland ?????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-23-2004 10:50:01

Thanks John That's all I wanted. I didn't see if there were any posts or whether I offened. If me I appologise. I'm like you but I don't know enough about Amish to comment other than they make a mean barn.

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Allan in NE

10-23-2004 08:52:00

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Leland, 10-23-2004 08:43:58

Leland,

Maybe her is Amish. :>)

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Leland

10-24-2004 08:26:15

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Allan in NE, 10-23-2004 08:52:00

No if Kim were amish we would be talking about horses butter churns and quilting bees.

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 09:25:17

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Allan in NE, 10-23-2004 08:52:00

Just wondering. Who picks and chooses? This site is filled with non tractor stuff but I assumed arguments were amoung friends or at least people who can agree to dissagree. I have had two dissapear in twentyfour hours that I didn't believe were very contriversal. One actually just asking what happened. I have seen some things I would say were noncontriversal get out of hand though. Not trying to start anything, I'm just asking a question.

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Leland

10-24-2004 08:34:47

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Sloroll, 10-23-2004 09:25:17

Well Sloroll it appears that T-bone and RAB want to control content either there control freaks or something hit to close to home,besides all the other crap people post whats the difference it's just some people are willing to sencor the truth bacause they are not willing to deal with the truth after all they think of me as a biggot. I think of them as blind,close minded and very one sided so whats the point at least here we can disagree and go on at least most of can a few will still hold a grudge but thats life.

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Sloroll

10-23-2004 10:09:46

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Re: paul send me your last reponse they don't want in reply to Sloroll, 10-23-2004 09:25:17

Someone can tell me off site. I opened my e-mail.

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