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bark

10-11-2004 11:56:40

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I'm trying to buy a tractor that's posted here. The seller wants me to send full payment up front. I'm nervous about sending a $4,000 check with no recourse. He said he'd send a receipt by fax when he got the check but if it's not on the up and up that won't be any help. What have you all done for protection in deals like this?
Thanks for any help you have.
Bart

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INCase

10-11-2004 13:32:27

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Re: help, please in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 11:56:40

never been in that situation.. but I'd have trouble.. giving that much $, even as check without seeing it/driving ect. It could be worth the $ of the trip as a safty. (I've often found a better deal along the way to go look at a car) If he won't hold it for you till you get there then maybe its not ment to be... buyer (and seller)beware now days.... safe bet would (maybe?)be to go there and take a cashiers check (have your bank put the Tractor serial# on the check like you do to buy a car) and go with him to the bank and get a reciept or bill of sale there.so you're both covered.. If it doesn't work out take your cashiers check back to your bank... though call, you'd like to trust people.. it's hard to trust someone that's not trusting of you..a good deposit should be enough to hold something.. ect ect ect.. good luck..

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Billcrews

10-11-2004 13:24:36

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Re: help, please in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 11:56:40

I have purchased several tractors long distance over the internet and all of the sellers have been willing to take one-half of the money up front and the remaining one-half before the tractor is picked up by the hauler, subject to the timing that you work out with the seller.

If the seller can get all of his money up front, he must have a hot product.

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Henk.

10-11-2004 13:23:24

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Re: help, please in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 11:56:40

be smart go and see the tractor if you are willing to spend 4000 for an old tractor then you should be willing to spend some more to see it before you buy it.
And when you like what you see don't leave without it because if you get it picked up another time some parts might be missing or the whole thing might be gone.And I speak from experience.

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paul

10-11-2004 13:15:39

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Re: help, please in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 11:56:40

You ask a very good question. Have you read the message below:

Not Selling - Did I make a mistake? ..[expand] - Buckeye

You 2 pose some real good questions. Who blinks first I guess? Be interesting for you & Buckeye to discuss both sides of this issue with each other....

Even the 'go get it with cash' option is getting troublesome - with 9-11 security issues & drug dealers, large sums of cash are not so easy to get from the bank any more & draw some attention from athourities if nothing else - in addition to worrying about being conked on the head & the cash taken... I've personally always been more comfortable with a check that cash if it's over $1000 - either buying or selling. Too much cash bothers me, I guess it does not bother others that deal here. I want the check as a reciept, proof of purchase. You need to watch for stolen tractors too, dealing in cash & _you_ can be on the hook big time for owning a stolen tractor. With a canceled check at least you have some standing...

Lots to think about on this, many different angles. We all see it from different sides I guess.

--->Paul

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10-11-2004 12:19:13

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Re: help, please in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 11:56:40

Know right where your coming from friend,my Oliver 1550 will be here in the AM tomorrow,bought it sight unseen (other than photo)been lookin on here for a year and I always contemplated how can ya buy something a 1000 miles away without lookin at at it,I guess it comes down to whether your a gambling man or not,Id like to think most of the sellers are honest,just use your own judgement I guess,some will think your nuts and some people do it all the time,I have felt better since my hauler told me it looks like a real sweet machine,and he drove it on the trailer,so I guess we"ll see.

Good Luck

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txblu

10-11-2004 12:06:12

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Re: help, please in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 11:56:40

Took cash and a trailer and drove to the location of the tractor, checked it out, haggled, paid for it, loaded it on the trailer and came home.

Anything less is just asking for a heartache. Never know. Even if the guy is legit, a picture doesn't show you what sittin in it and going thru the paces does.

Good luck,

Mark

(Besides I enjoyed the trip. Went where I've never been before.)

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RAB

10-11-2004 13:28:27

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Re: help, please in reply to txblu, 10-11-2004 12:06:12

Good idea. Would advise wherever possible to do that. I sometimes need to buy at 3-4000 miles distance over the pond, so have to adopt a strategy as to how honest a seller is.
I can usually tell how honest a seller is. Not been caught too often, but always run the risk....
You need to know what you are "looking" at, know the usual faults of that machine, and ask the questions in the right way. An unsatisfactory answer or "hedging around" a subject rings the alarm bells. Saying that, most sellers are reasonably honest - just that nasty minority who are always trying to deceive, pull a fast one or simply fleece you.
Regards, RAB

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RAB

10-11-2004 13:34:43

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Re: help, please in reply to RAB, 10-11-2004 13:28:27

AND, forgot to say, get as much as possible in hard copy - on paper. Pictures, answers to questions, etc.
Keep it all, and it is amazing how you can notice afterwards (comparing descriptions) if something does not quite tie up with other details....
Regards, RAB

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bark

10-11-2004 18:17:40

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Thanks for the advice in reply to RAB, 10-11-2004 13:34:43

I would go and get it. In fact I was all set to go and get a ford 640 this week - told the seller I was coming and arranged for a trailer etc. and he sold it our from under me. That was within 250 miles and I could get there and back in a day. This one is about 10+ hrs. away and I can't take off for 2 days like that.
I agree with those of you who say it's too big a risk to send that kind of money. I would like to be trusting - but not foolish. So, I'm going to try and get him to agree to an "escrow" transaction. I'd send him the full amount to a holding account in his name. As soon as the tractor arrives I release the money to him. If it doesn't arrive or is not as advertized or it falls of his trailer I wouldn't release the money. I suppose I could send him the trucking amount so that he wouldn't be out anything if I was unreasonable once the tractor arrived. Apparently any attorney will provide that service for a small fee. So I would just do it with one in his town.
Thank you all for your responses - hopefully he's O.K. with this and I'll have a "happily ever after" ending to report.
Bart

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Tom Dooley

10-11-2004 19:30:29

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to bark, 10-11-2004 18:17:40

This summer we drove 800+- round trip to get a tractor in ILL.We took a print off the computer before we went. When the guy pulled the tractor out of the shed I could not recognize it from the picture.The paint job was done with a spray can and the fender tips were rusted off.He had a relative that was a computer "freak".I sure wish that I could replace rusted fenders with the stroke of a key!!The guy also wanted to keep the tractor for ten days untill the check cleared.He never knew that I had the cash in my pocket to pay for it. He told me that he had been a farmer over the phone. When I asked him about that he said no not all the time and he mentioned another ocupation. I said I thought so and got in the truck and had a pleasant drive home.My rule has always been "drive it first". Tom

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txblu

10-12-2004 06:24:23

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to Tom Dooley, 10-11-2004 19:30:29

Webb tractor excursions:

#1 was a MF 35 deluxe gas, ps, 900 hrs. Bought from a guy selling real estate who sold tractors as a hobby when things were slow. Had a lot and lots of web pics. Had 3 views of the tractor. Wanted $4200 for it. Thought if really 900 that was ok. Lots of times it's 900 + 1 trip around the hour meter (10,000). Told him I'd give him cash delivered at my house (for $100 transport fee) if as indicated. He brought it and it was. Done deal.

Neighbor wanted it so I sold it.

In the pics, I saw a 2000 Ford Diesel with 3200 hrs for $4250 sitting next to it. Called him back and said same deal. he said no, shipping is $200. I said ok as I couldn't drive 500 mi and come back for that (overnight stop over).

This tractor is my honey. Love it. Nothing done to it in 3 yrs now cept change fluids and rubber.

Wanted a 3000. Deal looked good but owner's friend was selling. Got cash and trailer and drove half day to buy. Not as advertised and guy didn't really want to sell it. Wondered why his friend was advertising it for him. Nice drive. Return trip was faster than expected as trailer was empty.

Last one was an overseas import from Holland. A 4600 Diesel, independent pto, remote valve, with 6000 hrs, fresh paint and good rubber. Had a ROPS and very nice factory metal canopy. Wanted $6250.

This is the one I talked about above. As it turned out, the reverse was true on this last tractor. The tractor is in superb shape, both mechanically and cosmetically. The engine is tight and starts instantly, telling me the internal condition is excellent. Tranny is tight and lift is smooth as silk, holding is excellent. PTO is smooth, brake locks right in. Examination revealed that there hasn't been a wrench on it. What a deal. I like this european version as it has as super hand operated brake lever (like a sports car) and makes it very easy in connecting to implements. Like I said, you never know. Additionally, even though this is a '79 model, it's obvious that it was shedded as the wheel and instruments show wear, but are not sun baked.

HTH,

Mark

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bark

10-12-2004 09:24:55

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to txblu, 10-12-2004 06:24:23

Well, here's the wrap up.
Called Tim Gray (seller) and mentioned advice received said I'd send full transport cost of $450.00 and send full purchase price to an escrow account of his choice so he'd have it as soon as the tractor arrived. Didn't even get a chance to finish. He said they're using it now to move manuer and he already told me how it'd be and that's that - nice talkin' to ya. and hung up.

Probably would have been fine. It's probably just the tractor I need - a clean Ford 3000 ( I need something around 45hp to run haying equipment) but you guys are right about the gamble.
What bothers me is it's so unnecessary. What if we all just set a better standard so noone gets burned? For example say, Buyer always pays transport to his/her location. Full payment is held at seller's attorney office of choice. Whoever transports tractor calls upon arrival and says I'm here guy is ready to unload and money is released. Done. Noone is at risk. If tractor is as advertized everyone is happy. If buyer is too picky or unreasonable than he/she is out transport cost.
Too bad about this deal but he wouldn't even discuss it. Bart

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evielboweviel

10-12-2004 18:37:25

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to bark, 10-12-2004 09:24:55

is this Tim Gray in Ohio?
does he advertise tractors for sale in the pic ads on here?
does his add say call only?
if so be glad you didn't deal with him. look in the archives he has been written up on here before.
Ron

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bark

10-13-2004 11:13:22

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to evielboweviel, 10-12-2004 18:37:25

Yes, I believe that's him. I couldn't find info. in the archives but it sounds like I did O.K. to stay clear. He wasn't too pleasant before hanging up on me so, "Good riddance to bad rubbish".

Just called on a good looking ford 3000 diesel and it was sold immediately. Guess I've got my work cut out for me to find and buy the right machine.
Cheers, Bart

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txblu

10-13-2004 09:29:56

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to evielboweviel, 10-12-2004 18:37:25

Is this just Ron, or "The Real Ron" reincarnated in a bowl weevel?

Mark

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Leland

10-12-2004 10:59:13

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Re: Thanks for the advice in reply to bark, 10-12-2004 09:24:55

Print this whole post and send to him.

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