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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 03:02:04




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MOST "tractor enthusiast's" seem to have it. Any good reason to plow ground. (You never hear of anyone having a "baler day") I'm sure everyone has their favorite chore on a tractor. Some people love mowing hay, others like planting time. They all have their attraction, but I still like to roll the dirt over myself.

We quit doing it on a regular basis, almost 25 years ago. First it was chisel plowing, then in the mid-eighties, we started no-tilling full time.

Over the weekend, I finished restoring a set of plows, just so I can bust some sod. (I have about 65 acres that needs to be plowed) Here is a picture of my finished product. John Deere model 416A (3x14") vintage 1958.

What is the fascination with plowing? WHy does everyone jump at the chance to do it? If that's NOT your favorite tractor chore, what is?

Let's start this week on a positive note...No sniping and argueing this week, please. John

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gwb

10-12-2004 20:35:45




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Go buy yourself a CD called 'Northwest Passage' by a deceased Canuck hero name of Stan Rogers. Listen to 'The Field Behind the Plow' which is the best damn song to sing on a tractor seat:

Watch the field behind the plow turn to straight, dark rows
Feel the trickle in your clothes, blow the dust cake from your nose
Hear the tractor's steady roar, Oh you can't stop now
There's a quarter section more or less to go
And it figures that the rain keeps its own sweet time
You can watch it come for miles, but you guess you've got a while
So ease the throttle out a hair, every rod's a gain
And there's victory in every quarter mile


Poor old Kuzyk down the road
The heartache, hail and hoppers brought him down
He gave it up and went to town
And Emmett Pierce the other day
Took a heart attack and died at forty two
You could see it coming on 'cause he worked as hard as you


In an hour, maybe more, you'll be wet clear through
The air is cooler now, pull you hat brim further down
And watch the field behind the plow turn to straight dark rows
Put another season's promise in the ground

And if the harvest's any good
The money just might cover all the loans
You've mortgaged all you own
Buy the kids a winter coat
Take the wife back east for Christmas if you can
All summer she hangs on when you're so tied to the land


For the good times come and go, but at least there's rain
So this won't be barren ground when September rolls around
So watch the field behind the plow turn to straight dark rows
Put another season's promise in the ground
Watch the field behind the plow turn to straight dark rows
Put another season's promise in the ground

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steve-ny

10-11-2004 16:56:19




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
nice job on the plow,I have a jd #810 3x14" that I drag around with my new holland TN65.what is the difference between the 416 and 810, they look the same except mine has a rubber tail wheel. I also have a 3x16" that I assume is another 810, that needs all new bottoms. the 16" plow would be better behind my TN.



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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 17:06:33




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to steve-ny, 10-11-2004 16:56:19  
The #810 is a little bit older. (just a VERY few years.) It was designed to go with the NEW Deere 800 hitch that was on early 50's 60's and 70's. They would work with 3 point hitch's but were primarily for the 800 hitch.

The 415/416 (2 bottom or 3 bottom) was built for the 420, 430, and 435. It was a (somewhat) lighter framed, truss-frame catagory 1, 3 point plow. They were updated in late '59. (MOSTLY improvements to the furrow wheel.)

Both used hss bottoms. I'm reasonably certain, but not sure that the 810 used hss400 series bottoms. The 416A used hss314 bottoms. The 416A was not offered in a 16" frame, as far as I know. John

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Mitchissippi

10-11-2004 13:58:39




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 I got to thinkin, . . . in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Back when I was helping them farm, I got to run the hippers. I always enjoyed running into the night. I'd kick the rear window open on the 4650 so I could smell the dirt and hear the chains on the markers gingle. I love the way a tractor looks in it's own lights. I can still hear that muffled sound of the engine as I troddled back at the end of the row. If I'd have ever thought I would miss those days, I wouldn't have never complained so much!

Mitch

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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 14:44:02




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 Re: I got to thinkin, . . . in reply to Mitchissippi, 10-11-2004 13:58:39  
Back when I was still in highschool, I would work for dad as much as he needed. (NOT always my choice) Then I would work as much as I could for a friends father. They had a big dairy operation near ours. I would run their tractors all night on weekends or when I could. They had a 4020 and at first a 4520, which was traded on a 4320. Later on, they bought a 4430.

I would plow, disc, or later on, chisel plow allmight. The 4320 and the 4430 were cab tractors. They made it nice, but there was something fun about being out in the middle of a 200 acre field, in pitch dark, except for the tractors lights.

You got a real sense of solitude.

Sure was fun.....still is. John

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Mitchissippi

10-11-2004 15:49:09




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 Re: I got to thinkin, . . . in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 14:44:02  
During picking season, I"d work the ground at the wagons during daylight (later I ran the bowl buggy - when moduling came along). Bout dark, I"d take one of the pickers and give one the "old farts" a break. I loved it! It was several years before I ever got to run a picker in the daylight.

Mitch



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raytasch

10-11-2004 09:59:45




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
About the only noise you hear is the tractor 'barking.' No implement rattling, banging, or making other strange noises. Smell of the freshly turned earth is nice too.
JMHO,
ray



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DP

10-11-2004 09:50:15




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
I can relate to the feeling IDF! Always liked that myself. I have several in the shed, but only one that is totally restored. I picked up a model 825 3X16's Roll-Over a couple years ago. Still trying to find rolling cutters for that one. Also have a 810 3X16's, a 555 hydraulic lift plow, #44 2X16's trip lift, #52 2X12's, and a 4 disc John Deere Disc Plow. All are in working condition, but could use a few minor things.
Nice job on that 416A. Don

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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 10:06:42




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to DP, 10-11-2004 09:50:15  
I've got an 825 setting in the "yet to be restored" line. It's in very good condition, and only needs paint and decals. All parts are good. I've used it a couple times so far. Plan is to re-do it soon. I'll post a picture when it's done. John



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DP

10-11-2004 10:21:12




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 10:06:42  
You use yours on the 4020? I've only ever had this 825 on the 630, and thats a lot of weight for it. The plow works fine, but was missing the rolling cutters when I bought it. The 630 has factory wide front, and factory set of front weights including one slab. The 13.6X38's really squat when that plow is mounted on it.



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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 10:32:15




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to DP, 10-11-2004 10:21:12  
I hooked it on the back of my 4440. It needed scouring, so I plowed about 10 acres of sandy, river bottom ground with it. Put the polish on those bottoms that way. It seemed heavy on the back of the 4440. I can imagine what it was like on a 630. That 130 HP would FLY with it though! John



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MadMallard.....NY

10-11-2004 09:17:31




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
I like just about anything that keeps me outside on a tractor. If I was forced to choose I'd probably say mowing or hay baling. Nothing like the smell of a freshly mowed field or freshly baled hay. Plowed with an IH 330U and an IH 606. Just purchased a JD 2130 diesel to add some green to the red. Haven't had achance to plow with it yet. Seems like a pretty strong tractor though.



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txblu

10-11-2004 09:25:36




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to MadMallard.....NY, 10-11-2004 09:17:31  
I like both; hay and dirt.



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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 09:24:24




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to MadMallard.....NY, 10-11-2004 09:17:31  
REAL nice tractor in fact. You'll be pleased with it. I couldn't help but notice your screen-name (madMALLARD....NY) Thought that might be a reference to the Mallard in the backgound of my plow picture. That is BOB (Of BOBDUCK fame!) He likes to post on Tractor Tales, and will "plant" his duck on most any picture we post over there. John



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MadMallard.....NY

10-11-2004 09:37:35




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 09:24:24  
John

Name refers to the other thing I like almost as much as driving a tractor... that be duck and goose hunting in the fall. OOps don't tell Bob. I promise not to shoot him...Honest



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Mitchissippi

10-11-2004 08:52:08




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
I got hooked on it early, riding a 4020 fender with an uncle.

I don't farm, but I live on my family's land - which, after 'bout 15 of neglect, needed a bunch of improving. I have a Rhino 1400 rear blade and a Reynolds 5 yard dirt bucket. I get the same kick out of loading dirt and shaping ditches as you guys get out of plowing. And I look for any excuse to hook to the pan or the blade!

Mitch

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Mike (WA)

10-11-2004 08:45:34




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
When I was putting up hay by myself (20 years ago) I guess mowing was my favorite. Mowed in the morning (disc mower- just drop it and go, even around corners- never plugs like sickle bars do), rake another field around noon after the dew was off, then bale it around 4, until dark. Repeat next day. Unfortunately, in western Washington, sometimes it was like the shampoo instructions- "rinse" and repeat. Baling involved hotter weather, and broken parts to contend with.

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Jim@concordfarms

10-11-2004 07:50:44




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Hi John. I'll have to agree that plowing is a lot of fun, but I don't get to do nearly as much as I used too. Too much of that HEL (highly erodable land) around Owen county. I grew up on that other shade of green. 1650 Oliver with an Oliver 545 4 X 14 plow. 10 acres on a 28 gal. tank of gas, then back to the gas tank. I hate to think about that now with gas at 2.05 per gal.

Allan, that's a Brillion product you pictured isn't it? I've seen a few of them around here, but I don't remember what they're called.

Time to get to the field. Soon as this morning damp dries off, going to get done with beans today. Hope everyone can get done soon. The weather is supposed to turn cold and damp here in central IN later this week. Jim.

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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 08:03:34




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Jim@concordfarms, 10-11-2004 07:50:44  
Hi Jim,

Yes sir, it's a Brillion and appears to be about a little 10 or 12 footer; it's the only picture I could find real quick. I think at one time everyone under the sun was a buildin' the goofy things.

Did you notice the hitch? Someone's hired man must have gotten a duel a little close on a turn. Seems like the hired men are always trying to pull the implement up into their laps for some reason. :>)

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 08:17:53




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-11-2004 08:03:34  
The one I was mentioning earlier is a Deere product. It is almost the same as the Brillion model. (Might have been made by Brillion, for all I know.)

They never really caught on around here. Field cultivators never did either. It was moldboard plow and disc, then almost overnight, no-till. The chisel plow had about a 10 year run in there somewhere.

We're renting a farm for next season, that hasn't been cropped in 15 years. (beef cattle patured on it) It's compacted harder than concrete. My son has been using a deep ripper on some of it. We plan on chisel plowing the rest. (Rock, BIG rock, less than 2' under suface) It tested out as good, healthy soil, just needs to be opened up.

Any excuse to plow..... ...John

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New-Gen

10-11-2004 06:09:46




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Nice looking plow.
Brings back fond memories of my youth, spent on a fairly new 4010 Diesel pulling an F145 5x16" plow. Loved every minute of it!!



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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 06:52:33




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to New-Gen, 10-11-2004 06:09:46  
I learned to plow with a 4020 and a 145H plow. Still have it in fact. (Both tractor and plow) When we do the 65 acres of old alfalfa ground, both the 4020/145H and my 2440/416A will be in action. We get to do some moldboard plowing every few years. Just enough to remember how much fun it was. John



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Doug Rogers

10-11-2004 05:41:23




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Never even had the chance to plow. I'm just a weekend hobby guy but I do love baling hay. Just watching the finished product coming out the back is kind of like the reward at the end of the day. I like the swathing and the raking but I really look forward to the baling. Dad gets ticked that I don't let him do more of it.



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Joe Evans

10-11-2004 05:29:40




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
My favorite was disking. Dad always did most, if not all of the plowing, but ALL the disking belonged to ME. I guess there was something about getting the field "smoothed" out, and paying a lot attention to getting dead furrows rolled-in nicely that I liked.



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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 05:41:24




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Joe Evans, 10-11-2004 05:29:40  
Hi Joe,

Ever use one of these behind a plow? Sweetest thing since sliced bread. :>)

Allan

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Terry in AL

10-11-2004 11:12:17




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-11-2004 05:41:24  
Allan,
Did you use the cultimulcher right after plowing or did you disk first? I've got a 14' Brillion that I have used a little bit, but I have always followed the plow with a disk. The cultimulcher does a great job of smoothing when I replant hay fields.
Thanks,
Terry



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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 13:33:42




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Terry in AL, 10-11-2004 11:12:17  
Hi Terry,

Right behind the plow and hit 'er at somewhat of an angle; that's what they are for.

Like I said earlier, I haven't seen a disc used behind a plow since the late 40s or maybe '50, '51....We do the discing in front of the plow if we are laying down a lot of heavy trash.

Allan



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Joe Evans

10-11-2004 05:55:58




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-11-2004 05:41:24  
Allan: Haven't used anything like that. Looks like it would take a lot more horse to handle it than we ever had. They only thing I got to use was a POS 12' John Deere disk (nothing against the green; it was just soooo worn out) with a couple of pieces of horse-drawn spike tooth harrow behind it.



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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 06:04:45




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Joe Evans, 10-11-2004 05:55:58  
Joe,

I guess I haven't seen a disc behind a plow since the late 40s.

For years, we used a four-section harrow with a 6" well-pipe leveler; but when these things came out, they cured the problem of working heavy plowed ground altogether. They leave a perfect seedbed with one pass.

But yes, a 14 or 15' model will definitely take an 80-horse rig all dueled up.

Allan



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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 05:49:38




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-11-2004 05:41:24  
There's one of them "floating" from one consignment sale, to the next, around here. I'ts in decent shape, EXCEPT the sweeps are all gone.(?) A neighbor of ours still has one, in good shape too. We used it on our bean ground about the last year we did tillage.

We bought a Deere "mulch finisher" and used it for 1 season. Does esentially the same job. It's out behind the barn covered up in weeds. Can't GIVE 'em away here.

You ought to see the looks on the faces at the dealership, when I go to order plow parts....

And the look on the UPS drivers face as he toted the 158 pounds of plow parts off of his truck...

(I had to explain to him, just what a plow "was") John

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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 05:54:45




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 05:49:38  
Hi John,

Never saw one with sweeps on it; we always used bull-tongues. Just don't see 'em much anymore.

But, I'm a lookin' for one, tho. :>)

Allan



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Geo in SD

10-11-2004 04:20:54




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Plowing was my favorite job too, when I was farming. The smell of the fresh turned ground and the diesel were like a perfume. Also plowing at night, watching the exhaust turn red with a plume of fire out the stack. Also with plowing, it seemed like I could tell I was getting something done.

It is the one thing I miss most about farming.



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Allan in NE

10-11-2004 04:09:18




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-11-2004 03:02:04  
Mornin' John,

Very nice job on the plow! Looks like a new one.

But, I gotta tell ya, plowin' sod just isn't my favorite cup a tea; my butt is sore just thinkin' about that draft a hammerin' back at me. :>)

Cuttin' beans was always my favorite for as long as I can remember. Something about getting up at 2am and seeing how far you can get before the dew dries out. Then too, of course, the resultant pay check at the end of the day when they are run thru the combine. :>)

Later,

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

10-11-2004 04:22:59




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 Re: Fascination with plowing... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-11-2004 04:09:18  
That SMOOTH draft control on those GREEN tractors will prevent that "hammering"..... ...

Notice the duck in the background?

That's BOB!

We are down to about 85 acres of corn to shell, and about 165 acres of double-crop soybeans (that won't be ready for a couple weeks) and the combine gets to rest...And so do I. It's been a good year. Corn is about 35 bu.ac. over expectations. Beans are averaging over 55 bu. ac. (Good for around here) Sold most of my beans last year, while prices were over $8.00.

Dumb luck will get you a LOOOOO OOONG way in life! John

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