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Wide front /trike front

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old

10-04-2004 20:22:54




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Has there ever been a study on how much safer a wide front is then a trike front?? If so where can I find the facts




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John *.?-!.* cub owner

10-05-2004 19:34:30




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
Remember that on a wide front axle the tractor is attached with a pivot at the center of the axle. The axle width doesn't come into play until the tractor tips for enough for the side of the bolster to strike the axle, at which point it's usually too late. What makes the wide front tractors more stable is the fact that they are usually lower, therefore having a lower center of gravity.



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Leland

10-05-2004 14:40:33




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
Wide front much safer,1st farmer used to ride my butt when I drove his 706nf about how I was going to kill myself. Then 2 weeks later while pulling planter he forgot to slow down and rolled her twice. only thing that saved him no fenders. I don't need a study to tell me this it's common sense!



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old

10-05-2004 08:22:11




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
Thanks guys for your oppions etc. I asked because every one in my area seems to want wide fronts and I have and at time both types.



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Ron Minn

10-05-2004 06:39:55




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
A wide front is a lot safer when using a loader and can go through a lot more soft wet dirt(MUD). Also is better when pushing snow in the winter. You can still tip it over if you don't use common sense but a wide front is a lot more stable. After just reading about the close calls etc for the last couple months on this forum I wonder how us old timers survived. I was mowing with a (C) at age seven. Try that these days and the parents would be put in jail.Common sense and practice goes a long ways. Just my thoughts for the day. Ron

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rustyfarmall

10-05-2004 06:46:07




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to Ron Minn, 10-05-2004 06:39:55  
Ron, the reason we "old timers" as you put it, got away with it is because, even at the age of seven, we had recieved some very good lessons from our fathers. I know without a doubt my father would not have turned me loose unless he knew for sure that I knew what I was doing.



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txblu

10-05-2004 07:52:13




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-05-2004 06:46:07  
And you probably were out in the barn or field working insead of sitting behind the TV playing video games, eating junk fatty food, and becoming an obese child.
Mark



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rustyfarmall

10-05-2004 09:50:40




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to txblu, 10-05-2004 07:52:13  
Exactly, why would you want to be inside the house when you had the whole farm to explore? Even after the work was done there was still things you needed to check out. Just be sure to tell mom where you were going.



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1945 A

10-05-2004 05:56:23




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
Not trying to be in denial, but the link shown here, shows a "rollover test" being performed, comparing an 8N Ford and a JD "A"--- if you"ll look, it appears to be an apples and oranges comparison, since the Ford is being tested in neutral, and the JD is in 6th gear----there"s no indication of actual speed of the 2, but, I"m assuming the JD is operating under full power. According to my operator"s manual, that would put the old Deere running at about 12 mph + downhill, making a turn---- hopefully not a "real world" situation! That the tractor turned over should hardly come as a surprise...
As has been stated before, it"s as much personal preference as anything else. While the wide front would certainly seem to be more stable, the narrow or tricycle front shouldn"t scare you, if you"re careful, pay attention to what you"re doing, speed, etc---- common sense that should be used any time you"re operating machinery....
Yeah, I have an old "A", but I"m not touting how wonderful it is, just saying that I"ve mowed, pulled a disk, etc, but everything I decide to do, I make oprerating the tractoir the ONLY thing I"m thinking about....

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tlak

10-05-2004 10:49:21




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to 1945 A, 10-05-2004 05:56:23  
There are more variables. Since these old tractors don"t have synchronized trans when they pop out of gear going down hill you cant push it back into a gear to slow down. They have marginal brakes with the lock for both peddles coming latter. Also depending on what state or part of a state you are in the area might be hilly this and wet grass will multiply all the factors. So all things being equal I would rather be on the N that the deere.

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1945A

10-05-2004 13:04:58




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to tlak, 10-05-2004 10:49:21  
You're certainly right about there being lots of variables. I was basing what I said with regards to the rollover test shown in the link, and it is not a straight forward comparison as to which is actually the safer (less roll over prone) between the 2 tractors.
I too, would prefer a wide front, but my tractor doesn't have one, and I haven't felt any danger thus far.
The biggest variable, as others have said, is the operator.....

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Indydirtfarmer

10-05-2004 05:44:16




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
The greatest saftey feature on modern farm tractors is an experienced operator. No wide front end will offset the need for that item.
Narrow fronts were made popular in the days of mounted corn pickers. They were nice when cultivating also. Both of those practices went the way of the pony express, and the stage coach. (HISTORY)

Not sure if I'd rate them EXTREMELY dangerous, but they aren't as safe as a wide front from what I've seen over the years.

And they will get you stuck in the mud faster than ANYTHING ever installed on a farm tractor. John

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Allan in NE

10-05-2004 05:51:00




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-05-2004 05:44:16  
John,

When you use the term "mud", what exactly is that?

I just can't seem to remember. :>)

Allan



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Indydirtfarmer

10-05-2004 06:22:02




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to Allan in NE, 10-05-2004 05:51:00  
That's what we'll have when the "talcum powder" we have now get's rained on finally. I'm wanting to start drilling wheat shortly. It's so dry that it would be useless at this point....John



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txblu

10-05-2004 07:48:38




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-05-2004 06:22:02  
We usually drill winter pasture (wheat) 1 Sept to catch the labor day rain. This year, it was October 4 before we got a germinating rain.

Mark



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rustyfarmall

10-05-2004 05:21:24




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
There have been a number of studys done on this subject, as well as a lot of discussion right here on Yesterday's Tractors. Most of these studys are inconclusive due to the large number of uncontrollable variables. The one common conclusion we all agree on is if you prefer a wide front, and feel safer on a tractor equipped with a wide front, then by all means put one on your tractor.



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Allan in NE

10-05-2004 03:56:23




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
Hi Old,

In my opinion, the following picture correctly and very clearly demonstrates the proper way to install and mount a tricycle front end.

I've tried to use 'em for boat anchors & also to hold the lid down on a trash can in high winds, but they tend to be very cumbersome. :>)

Have a good one,

Allan

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Noah W

10-05-2004 03:15:07




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to old, 10-04-2004 20:22:54  
Rolling in my sweet baby"s arms



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txblu

10-05-2004 05:50:42




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to Noah W, 10-05-2004 03:15:07  
This is great scientific stuff and I like to do "mechanisms" that cause things to happen. By studying the mechanism, you can understand how things work so's you can fix 'em.

More simply speaking, my opinion of course.

Both tractors support the front of the tractor at one point. That's a given.

The difference is that on a wide, the box (CG stability box mentioned above) is square rather than triangular which is a big help and if one wheel contacts a hole, only half the depth is felt by the tractor as the other wheel is on firm ground (assumption). With the tractor pivot point in the center, it only gets half the impact.

Back to the box. With the wide, turning a corner puts the front of the tractor CG vector within the distance between the tractor and front wheel on the outboard side. With tricycle, the wheel is directly under you and the vector it pointing to thin air.

My 2c (First tractor was tricycle. Haven't had one since....course I don't row crop plow either where I want to do a 180 at the end of the field in my inboard tractor tire track either.)

Mark

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steveormary

10-05-2004 09:07:58




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 Re: Wide front /trike front in reply to txblu, 10-05-2004 05:50:42  
Indydirtfarmer;

Plant your wheat in the dry ground and wait for the rain.

steveormary



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