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Ford 860--Good Deal?

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Stu Bush

09-23-2004 07:16:40




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I looked at the tractor. It is a Ford 860, Ser. No. 22450 so about 1955. Has all the 860 features, live PTO, etc. In pretty good shape, good sheet metal, etc, new tires, 12V conversion, new battery. Runs very well, oil clean, no smoke, was rebuilt at a tractor supply house in the past year (I'll find out what they did). Hydraulics work very well, no leaks. Implements include old back-shovel/scoop, rear blade, drag, 2-point plow, bush hog & disc. Bush hog and disc are new the past year. Implements in generally good shape.

Only thing maybe questionable on it was clutch/tranny (5-speed). When we first started it in neutral the tranny had some "clunking" noise in it, not too bad but noticeable. Clutch pedal seems way out of adjustment, nearly flat to platform even when engaged. There's room for adjustment but don't know if it will change shifting ease. Disengaging clutch does stop tractor, but shifting is accompanied with grinding unless you shift "firm & fast", it then goes readily into gear. Is this normal? All gears work well. Clunking noise disappears when in gear and lessens when warmed up.

Price $3500 USD for all, maybe some negotiating room here. Sound good? thanks for any advice.

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Michael NE Iowa

09-23-2004 10:52:03




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 Re: Ford 860--Good Deal? in reply to Stu Bush, 09-23-2004 07:16:40  
Sounds like a great deal. I just bought an 860 without implements for $3750.

I agree with Jim, so what if it needs a clutch job, you'll still come out miles ahead.



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Jim.UT

09-23-2004 08:47:58




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 Re: Ford 860--Good Deal? in reply to Stu Bush, 09-23-2004 07:16:40  
The price sounds good for all you're getting, but the clutch does cause concern. The 860 clutch pedal usually sits quite high. Pushing the clutch halfway down should stop forward motion of the trator while keeping the pto working. Push the clutch all the way down to stop the pto. Conversely, when the clutch is fully depressed you can start the pto by lifting the pedal halfway then start forward motion of the tractor by fully releasing the pedal.

If there is a mechanical problem with the clutch it can get expensive. A brand new clutch from the New Holland dealer is about $800. Figure $500 for a generic rebuilt unit. Still, for the price being asked, you could afford to fix the clutch (assuming it's completely toast) and still have gotten a decent deal.

The tranny noises would give me reason to pause also. Might be some negotiating leverage there on price. At the very least, I'd have an independent tractor mechanic check it out and get his opinion. Maybe it's a throwout bearing or maybe it's broken tranny parts.

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Stu Bush

09-23-2004 09:43:04




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 Re: Ford 860--Good Deal? in reply to Jim.UT, 09-23-2004 08:47:58  
Thanks much for the info, Jim. We didn"t know quite how high the pedal should maintain, nor that it would also stop the PTO (it doesn"t do that now). Will check on the clunking noise too, TO bearing makes sense there given it"s behavior. I think there is definitely some negotiating room here. I"ve got to haul it so far--and don"t own a truck or trailer big enough to do it--that it may get unreasonable anyway.

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Mike (WA)

09-23-2004 12:43:05




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 Re: Ford 860--Good Deal? in reply to Stu Bush, 09-23-2004 09:43:04  
I once bought a tractor with two stage clutch at auction with clutch out of adjustment like you describe- needed to go all the way down to disengage main clutch, and PTO couldn't be disengaged. Turned out there was a problem with the PTO, and it appears that the clutch had been intentionally adjusted that way to mask the PTO problem. I'd just adjust it and see what happens, before you buy.



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Jim.UT

09-23-2004 10:22:35




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 Re: Ford 860--Good Deal? in reply to Stu Bush, 09-23-2004 09:43:04  
The dual clutch on the 860 has two adjustment holes on the pedal linkage. I don't own an 860 so I'm only repeating what I've read on the Ford discussion board. With the linkage hooked up to one of the holes, it makes the clutch act like a single clutch (no live pto). With it installed in the other hole it activates the second clutch disc so that the clutch operates like I described in my first response.

You can get better (more informed intelligent) information by going to the Ford discussion board on this site and asking specific questions about dual clutch adjustment. It may be something as simple as that. If it is, $3500 is a great price for an 860 in good condition, especially with all the implements. I don't know if that alternate linkage hole alters the clutch pedal height, but it seems reasonable that it would.

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paul

09-23-2004 18:50:39




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 Re: Ford 860--Good Deal? in reply to Jim.UT, 09-23-2004 10:22:35  
Jim is correct, on the 'other' end of the clutch pedal there is a clevis with a pin, that clevis has 2 holes. To operate the pto at all, you need it pinned so the clutch pedal is quite high. with the pedal in the low hole, the pto will not engage.

The threaded clevis can also be used to adjust clutch clearance some, but clinking noises are not normal.

--->Paul



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