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Allan in Ne

09-14-2004 05:25:24




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Hi All,

The wife and I have been on a mission the past couple of months trying to find a little farm to "play" on and use as our old age retirement home.

We've been out running the wheels off the car in three states trying to find just the right chunk of dirt.

This is turning into work!

We're finding that the good ones just aren't for sale and if ya do happen run across a decent lay out, the neighbors of that particular piece of ground will "one-up" ya every time when you get right down to the actual negotiations.

Boy, I'll tell ya, those big boys are really some heavy hitters when it comes to buying land!

Actual property value just does not enter into the equation at all and a guy has to do some really fancy footwork to keep the transaction kind of "quiet" until it is all settled. :>)

We think we have finally found just the right farm, but now we are sweating out the "behind the scenes" dickering that no doubt is going on in that particular neighborhood. :>)

I wasn’t this nervous when my kids were being born,

Allan

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Cheapskate Land

09-15-2004 05:51:21




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
If you are really serious about some land, I'd just look to SD. Things here really haven't hit the bigtime yet. For example, I own an old farm that consists of 160A, located right on the soon to be built "Tom Daschle 4 Lane Expressway", 3 miles from the Interstate. If anyone enjoys catching Walleyes, and hunting Pheasants and Whitetails, this would be the spot. Anyway, I would be doing handstands if someone offered me 150K for the place! Good Luck in your search.

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Allan in NE

09-15-2004 06:14:08




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Cheapskate Land, 09-15-2004 05:51:21  
Hi Guy,

Hmmmmm , depends on the farm, and granted, there are some fine units up there.

But,I just let one go, which was located just a little south of you for half that amount. I'm not really looking at total money, I'm looking at what the farm will produce.

For instance, the farm I'm talking about was half gravel, has a tough time growing and maintaining grass and at best, will only push 20 bushel of wheat on a good year, so it's $500 admission price was way too steep to my mind.

Thanks for the hollar,

Allan

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Cheapskate...

09-15-2004 08:52:24




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in NE, 09-15-2004 06:14:08  
OH, I said I would be doing handstands. For half that, I would just be sitting with a grin on my face! :~)



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Dave TX

09-14-2004 22:19:44




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
I currently have a 33 acre plot about 35 miles northeast of Dallas that I would sell for 300K. (It has a timber contract on it to remove the cedars )about 80 year old growth. Many moons ago it was under oil lease and oil has been discovered in the region. People next to me are getting ready to develop their land (home sites). I expect the value of my land to go up considerably when they do. After the cedars are removed all that will be left will be old growth oak trees. Also my sisters have a little over 50 acres of pasture for sell for about 7K per acre that ajoins my land. And if you want to know why I'd sell its because I can make a lot more money in the stock market....(and I'm tired of the taxes)

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LeJo

09-14-2004 20:43:47




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Northern Ill. 160A 5310.00/A Old house, fair barn, New machined shed. Land good.



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no reserved name

09-14-2004 17:20:48




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Little advise,buy the farm but not the farm house.



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Allan in NE

09-15-2004 03:40:06




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to no reserved name, 09-14-2004 17:20:48  
Mornin'

I've read your reply about four times now and just can't understand the jest of it.

Why not? Could you expound a little?

Thanks,

Allan



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no reserved name

09-17-2004 18:05:56




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in NE, 09-15-2004 03:40:06  
If your talking about mine,then have you ever tried working on these old houses.
I should have listened to the many that told me that,but I knew it all.



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Matt in MI

09-14-2004 12:55:11




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Allen

As a RE/MAX Real Estate agent I can tell you that currently there are very few investments that have a better return than property. Land values here in south central MI have sky rocketed. A 5 acre parcel will sell for 60k+. There are almost no plots larger than 40 acres for sale any more. However If you are interested in moving to MI I know of a farm forclosur that involves about 250 acres and house that should sell for 250k-350k depending upon the bank.

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Jonboy

09-14-2004 07:54:48




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Yep, it's a challenge to find land thats really affordable anymore. I'm a young guy thats just starting out, and I've gotta say that I really can't see myself owning a chunk of land like I'd like to for awhile. Developers have pushed the land prices through the roof everywhere, old farms are worth millions because of their potential to be subdivided into multiple building lots, which is getting done everywhere.
I have heard people talk that the big farmers are buying land with big loans from the banks which they will never see paid off in their lfetimes, but I cant help but think that maybe thats a smart idea because even if you don't get it paid off, you'd have use of it while your farming and when you go to sell it later on in your life when your done using it, it will have dramatically increased in value. Still, you'd have to have a tremendous stable cashflow to pay off the minumum payments on a big chunk of land, but theres a few people right in this area that do it. Take some of these farmers that buy 4-5 farms in just 4-5 years, expanding their daries and are managing it. Another thing I see an awful lot is people buying land with timber on it, logging everything off, but saplings, then trying to sell it, land like that usually stays on the market the longest, but to me it's a real shame because then nobody can afford to buy that land for anything but development because there is no income potential off that land anymore, the logs are gone, and there is no sugarbush, no nothing except if you clearcut to have cropland, but there are restrictions on the size of clearcuts, which I believe is just 10 acres here, so take for example a 194 acre parcel that they did that to, whats the rest of it good for?, besides a tax burden for years and years.

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John (MO)

09-14-2004 07:26:15




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
I really can"t see how this should be a surprise to anyone. They stopped making land quite a while ago, and yet the population keeps going up and up and up. Buy now the price will be higher next year.



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Can't even use my name

09-14-2004 07:38:24




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to John (MO), 09-14-2004 07:26:15  
It may go up next year but when the interest rates take a good hike then what? Someone with a substantial mortgage on land now can't afford the interest and has to sell of foreclose, then you will see land come down fast! Don't think it won't happen, remember the 80's? We bought land then for what seemed like too much ($300-$500 an acre!) but now it is "worth" $3000-$5000. It will fall again.



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John (MO)

09-14-2004 09:43:28




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Can't even use my name, 09-14-2004 07:38:24  
It is very possible there could be some short term drops in the future. But over the longer run, 10 years for example, you will see the price continue to increase. You say $300-$500 land in the 80's is now $3000-$5000. I'd say that is not a bad return, so what if it took a $50-$100 tumble in there somewhere?

The last 40 acres I bought, I could have made a $2850 per acre profit on in less than 90 days but I suspect that would have been a drop in the bucket compared to what profit I can make in say 40 years.

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Can't even use my name

09-14-2004 16:17:53




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to John (MO), 09-14-2004 09:43:28  
True, land is the best money maker IF you can afford it now and IF you can afford to pay the interest and taxes on it. Paying $500 for land in the eighties put a lot of guys out of business. We don't plan on selling any land. We bought it to farm not turn a profit on (no pun intended!).



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Mike (WA)

09-14-2004 08:11:56




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Can't even use my name, 09-14-2004 07:38:24  
It may fall some, but not a whole lot- there's too much money languishing in the stock market, which shows no signs of going anywhere by sideways in the near future, and you'll see a whole lot of interest from investors if the price of land eases even just a little.



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Can't even use my name

09-14-2004 16:23:41




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Mike (WA), 09-14-2004 08:11:56  
That"s the problem, too many people sitting on their butts makin serious money who can and do buy up land at crazy high prices.



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Old Pokey

09-14-2004 18:53:44




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Can't even use my name, 09-14-2004 16:23:41  
Anyone that thinks land values are indepent from the stock exchange really needs to go back and take a closer look at their investment strategy. They are linked together and inseperable.



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Rauville

09-14-2004 07:18:22




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Recently a local 83 year old farmer was visiting with me. He and his Wife have no children, and own 4000 acres of good productive land. He told how he had just turned down a cash offer of 6 million dollars from an out of state investor. Instead, he and his Wife have set up a self-sustaining trust. The land will be kept intact and offered in parcels to local younger farmers for the lowest possible cash rent, based on the actual cost of maintaining the trust with zero profits.
In this day and age of greed, this struck me as an unusual act of foresight.

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Old Pokey

09-14-2004 06:42:22




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Come out west to Oregon. Here farm land is going for over $12.000 an acre with only interuptable water. You cant build on it nor can cut down a tree, nor can you tile it, well, you get the picture.



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Coloken

09-14-2004 06:09:58




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Along the same lines...when the farmer buys the land he has no use for the buildings. I am refering to SW Neb, E colo. So he cuts off a small plot and sells the house. Houses in small towns very cheap, at least compaired to the front range in Colorado.



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TheRealRon

09-14-2004 05:51:04




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
Allan,

I feel for you. Not long ago farmland here sold for $500/acre tops. Then the yuppies started moving in. They bid the land here up here so high none of the locals can afford to buy more.

Good luck.

Ron



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Allan in NE

09-14-2004 06:22:32




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to TheRealRon, 09-14-2004 05:51:04  
Mornin' Ron,

Well, I really don't know how to look at this 'cause I guess to their minds, I am the outsider. But darnit, I wanna farm too. :>)

But, the big hitters I'm running into are the local neighboring farmers; these are some huge operators out here and they have the resources to back 'em up. They can afford to overbid if the parcel ties in nicely with their present operation.

Maybe if I was looking for a smaller sized outfit, I wouldn't be having this trouble. But seems to me, that I've gotta have at least a quarter or half section to even "try" to make it fly.

Same here, can't even buy grass for less than $500 a pop anymore. Used to be, you could by all the grass you wanted for $175.

Times change, I guess

Allan

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SD Rustbug

09-14-2004 05:45:55




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
I know of a real nice 60 acre piece in SW SD. Email me for details.



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Allan in NE

09-14-2004 06:23:31




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to SD Rustbug, 09-14-2004 05:45:55  
Email has been sent.

Thanks,

Allan



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rustyfarmall

09-14-2004 05:45:26




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to Allan in Ne, 09-14-2004 05:25:24  
We are seeing the same thing here. The guy who wants to actually farm the ground doesn't stand a chance. Apparently putting money into real estate is a much better investment right now than any other type of investment.



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dhermesc

09-14-2004 05:52:54




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 Re: Buying Farmground in reply to rustyfarmall, 09-14-2004 05:45:26  
My brothers are renting over a thousand acres of row crop owned by a group of doctors in Kansas City. They are buying land as a hedge against the stock market (sound like a few of them got burned pretty good when the .com bubble burst). Cash rent only. With money like they have to spend no honest working farm could ever bid against them.



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