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RE: Ethanol Scam

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Buzzman72

09-10-2004 10:44:53

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Personally, I doubt that many farmers will buy the lies anymore. First it was that ethanol from corn would eventually make us energy-independent, and the corn farmers would finally get the payoff they deserve. Lately, it's been the biodiesel scam, and how the soybean farmers would finally get their big payoff as we gained energy independence. Frankly, it's starting to sound like Bullwinkle's "Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat!" trick...the part where Bullwinkle says, "This time, for sure!"

And I don't see anyone having any more faith in Bullwinkle (a/k/a government/scientists) these days than we did watching those old cartoons in the '60's.

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paul

09-10-2004 14:55:11

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Buzzman72, 09-10-2004 10:44:53

Us corn farmers are better off with the ethanol plants than without it. Anyone who believed it was _the_ answer was silly. But it's a part of the whole picture.

I welcome the biodiesel as well, from soybeans. It won't make me rich, but it may keep me from going broke.

Lots of farmers around me own stock in the many ethanol plants here. Another one is being preposed, they are selling shares. I believe close to the 20th in the state? Only one went under do to crooked management. The rest have good & bad periods depending upon corn & fuel prices, but long-term they have paid out to the coop owners a nice sum & also slightly increase the basis of corn in the region they are located in.

To me, that is good business.

I'm not sure what the grip is from some of you?

--->Paul

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Ludwig

09-10-2004 11:38:47

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Buzzman72, 09-10-2004 10:44:53

What if it were more like the biodiesel was a piece of a puzzle including ethanol and solar power (and frankly conservation which nobody really wants to talk about) which would help us on a path to standing on our own two feet without the crutch of either destroying our natural resources or tromping all over the third world destroying their futures in search of the demon oil.
The problem is that people are always looking for a silver bullet to cure all their problems rather than using incremental changes to make their lives better. One reason the Japaneese automakers ate Detroit alive in the 70's they were constantly changing little things and making their cars better while Detroit did a full replacement just as they got the bugs worked out of a car. Of course its unfortunate that ALL car manufacturers do the full replacement every couple years now.

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TheRealRon

09-10-2004 11:20:18

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Buzzman72, 09-10-2004 10:44:53

At last, someone who thinks for himself!

I too would like to think we have a gotten smart enough to avoid being scammed again... keeping my fingers crossed.

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Ben in KY

09-10-2004 11:16:25

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Buzzman72, 09-10-2004 10:44:53

Politicians exist on smoke, mirrors , confusion,and fear mongering, not truth. Remember the Truth in advertising laws specifically exempt political advertisements.

Vote based on what a politician has done not what they say they will do.

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Vern-MI

09-10-2004 13:58:00

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Ben in KY, 09-10-2004 11:16:25

A powerful senator dies after a prolonged illness. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. "Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you." "No problem, just let me in," says the guy. "Well, I'd like to but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity." "Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says the senator. "I'm sorry but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a club and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him, everyone is very happy and in evening attire. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar. Also present is the Devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven." So 24 hours pass with the head of state joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns. "Well then, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity." He reflects for a minute, then the senator answers, "Well, I would never have said it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell." So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. The Devil comes over to him and lays his arm on his neck. "I don't understand, stammers the senator, "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and club and we ate lobster and caviar and danced and had a great time. Now all there is nothing but a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning...Today you voted for us!" > > > VOTE WISELY THIS COMING ELECTION!!

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TimV

09-10-2004 11:13:30

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Buzzman72, 09-10-2004 10:44:53

Buzzman72: Best to let this sleeping dog lie--I bit my tongue (figuratively, at least) and held true to my motto of "never get involved in a discussion started by our local troll", as they seem to deteriorate down to his level pretty quickly. Must really suck getting out of bed in the morning if you're him--nothing to look forward to but how much trouble you can cause people who know more than you do--which puts most of the world in his sights.

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TheRealRon

09-10-2004 11:17:26

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to TimV, 09-10-2004 11:13:30

One person voices his carefully thought out opinion and you have to give him advice?

Perhaps you should shut-up and listen when men speak. Now run off and do your chores!

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Indydirtfarmer

09-10-2004 11:38:55

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to TheRealRon, 09-10-2004 11:17:26

Funny, if someone agrees with you, they're right, and if (GOD forbid) they disagree, you want to have them burned at the stake. PIT-EE-FULL! John

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TimV

09-10-2004 11:51:30

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-10-2004 11:38:55

Indy: Don't waste your time with this twit--just ignore him like most of us do. Some words on the taxonomy of this particular creature that I found somewhere:
"The common Internet Troll (loserus patheticus) is often found hiding on bulletin boards, discussion forums, and other places where normal humans congregate. It is immediately recognized, however, by its insistence on proving its own point of view, which is invariably poorly conceived and showing a distinct lack of the higher reasoning skills characterizing fully developed members of the Homo Sapiens species. In its insatiable quest for the attention it craves, it will even throw out ideas it knows to be wrong, for the sole purpose of being proved incorrect, and thus being shown attention. When confronted by a member of this species, the best defense is to totally ignore it, at which point it will eventually wander away in search of someone else to pay attention to it".

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george md

09-10-2004 12:06:53

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to TimV, 09-10-2004 11:51:30

Tim,

Well said

george

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Bob D. (La)

09-10-2004 15:37:36

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to george md, 09-10-2004 12:06:53

The main thing from all these posts is the advice to Vote well. Won't try to give any opinions on who, but please make sure you vote.Remember, your vote does count, and I believe this election will probably be close, all the more reason to make sure you vote. Thanks for listening.

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CRUSADER

09-11-2004 02:47:32

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Bob D. (La), 09-10-2004 15:37:36

Your post reminds me of a story my father told me about my Great Grandfather on my mother's side of the family. "One Vote Really Does Count." It was back during the years of the poll tax, and my grand father (a party delegate of what party I will not say) was in a small town and it definitely appeared that their party's candidate was not going to win. He was on the balcony of his hotel, and noticed a person below him sweeping the streets. He started talking to the man, and in conversation asked him if he remembered to vote. The man said he wasn't going to vote because he didn't have the money for the poll tax (this was during the Great Depression). My grandfather told the man that he would pay for his poll tax if he would vote for his party's candidate. The man agreed and took the sum of money for the poll tax, and left...my grandfather never seeing him again. Well God and the individual are the only ones who know if he actually voted much less for the candidate that was mentioned. The point of this story is that this party's candidate won the election by one vote.

later days mates,
Jim

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Allan in NE

09-10-2004 15:49:30

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Bob D. (La), 09-10-2004 15:37:36

Bob,

Dog-gone ya! You should have been a politician! You're smoothern' powder on a baby's rear! Very diplomatic!

I'm not a gonna get into the grimy politics of the thing, but unlike your assessment, I think this is going to be one heck of a landslide & not at all close.

I just cannot believe that a full one half of this country's population is that far outside the realm of reality and without good sound judgment.....it just doesn't cypher out. :>)

Have a good one and thanks for the nice words; did I tell ya you are pretty slick at that talkin' thing? :>)

Allan

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Bob D(La)

09-11-2004 02:33:01

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Allan in NE, 09-10-2004 15:49:30

Thanks for the compliment Allen. Must have picked it up from the 7+ years I lived in Nebraska while in the Air Force.

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Allan in NE

09-11-2004 08:01:33

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Re: RE: Ethanol Scam in reply to Bob D(La), 09-11-2004 02:33:01

Aw Ha!

One of our Offutt boys. Good people, those. Each and every one.

Have a good 'un,

Allan

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