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Farmall vs. allis WD-45

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Carlton

09-07-2004 09:08:03




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How does an allis Wd-45 compare to an farmall M.I prefer Farmalls but there is a WD-45 for sale and it has live hydraulics. Will it do as much or more than the Farmalls.I have 7 acres and will do some plowing, snow removal,moving dirt and horse manure,and general all around work.

Carlton Clancy Mt.




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Jared in VT

09-08-2004 16:19:41




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
Carlton, The AC is a real puller, but I'm sure that you'll find the M, far more comfortable to operate. Happy hunting!
Jared



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IaGuy

09-07-2004 19:57:14




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
How does light duty gas consumption compare? The M certainly doesn't have a very good reputation for economy--possibly undeserved. I know my putz-around 450 likes its gas!



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john d

09-07-2004 17:00:58




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
For 7 acres and general work, either will do. For that matter, a Farmall H or an Allis WC will likely do 99% of what you want, and do it well.
A WD45 came from the factory with a bit mor HP than a Farmall M. Actually, I think it was sold against the Super M. Most of those old tractors have been overhauled more than once, and the farmers that owned them generally had them juiced up with oversized sleeves and pistons, etc. It's not hard to find a WD45 or a Farmall M that produce close to 50 HP.
With an Allis plow, the WD45 is a good unit. For moving dirt, plowing snow, or tillage work with trailing implements, the M will likely outperform the Allis. If you feel you NEED live hydraulics, and the Allis has such, you might be happier with it. If you had more than 7 acres to ride over in a given day, you'd probably be happier at the end of the day having ridden the M.

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Bill(Wis)

09-07-2004 17:00:36




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
For what you want to do on 7 acres, a WD45 will be plenty of tractor. Also, it's hard to imagine that you won't be buying some 3 point equipment to put behind it. the Allis is easy to convert to a standard 3 pt hitch whereas the M will be more difficult and expensive.



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John (MO)

09-07-2004 11:44:15




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
I think JED is way off the mark on cracked blocks on AC WD45's. Most people who know AC tractors will not mention cracked blocks as a frequent problem with AC WD45 gas tractors. The biggest concern with these tractors is years of abuse that can cause the tractor to want to jump out of gear. It most offen occurs with third gear but can affect other gears. To check, drive the tractor down hill at a high throttle setting and then close the throttle. This is when the tractor will most likely jump out of gear if it's going to. The Allis is a lighter weight and higher HP tractor than the Farmall. The Allis has independent PTO and hydraulics via the hand clutch but not via the foot clutch. The hydraulics on a WD45 are high pressure and low volume and one way, unless there has been an aux. hydraulic pump added. It is very easy to convert an AC snap coupler system to standard 3 point but you will loose some of the benifits of the Allis systems if you use 3 point equipment for ground tillage. If you can't live with a trip bucket loader (many people THINK they can't), then I suggest you go with the Farmall. I personally don't think the Farmall is near the tractor that the Allis is but if you feel you have to have a 3 point hitch and 2 way hydraulics I doubt you will be able to accept the Allis for the fine tractor that it is.

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JMS/MN

09-07-2004 14:52:17




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to John (MO), 09-07-2004 11:44:15  
Good comments in your post, but in addition, you can get two-way hyd with the 45 without an auxiliary pump. You can lock the lift lever up, feed another valve (for loader, etc), and dump the return line back into the resevoir. Granted, volume might be an issue, depending on the size of the cylinder(s) being used. And it is not hard to add another independent pump either.



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Dr.EVIL

09-07-2004 11:43:03




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
WD-45 compares VERY closely to the Super M. Neighbor Dad traded help with farmed with Orange and Dad ran red..... We ran that comparison Daily! Dad's warmed-up '51 M or Super M-TA.... didn't make much difference.



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dej(JED)

09-07-2004 10:02:28




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
If you run an AC 45 against an M on a hard surface, the AC will out pull the M every time.
The 45 with ac equipment such as mounted plows
is one very efficient machine. If you try the same AC on an M plow it will struggle. AC mounted equipment placed the load where it needed to be. The M has about a ton on the 45, so it will pull better in the field. They are both very good, but I would give the edge to the M. Porous engine block castings resulted in a lot of cracked AC blocks. That is why you don't find many useable 45's anymore.

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John (C-IL)

09-07-2004 10:25:44




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to dej(JED), 09-07-2004 10:02:28  
Jed, not sure what you mean by not finding many useable 45's any more, seems that of the 120,000 or so WD45's quite a few are still running. I have 4 and my brother has 5 that are used daily in his dairy operation. For all around handy tractor I'll take the 45. For out in the field pulling and ride I'd have to give the M the nod.



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old

09-07-2004 09:18:55




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to Carlton, 09-07-2004 09:08:03  
The WD-45 is 43 HP and the Farmall M is around 36 HP so the Allis should do more then an M will do



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dej(JED)

09-07-2004 12:15:34




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to old, 09-07-2004 09:18:55  
Let me qualify my statement about WD 45's. I think they are a heck of a tractor. I have 2.
Truthfully though, in Western , Pa, there aren't many remaining. Of the ones I have had, about 30, over half had cracked blocks. Heck, I think AC even sold a block repair piece that covered the whole side of the engine. Most of them are being parted because you can't get a good block.
Even the first self ptopelled AC combines are gone so the engine donors aren't plentiful here.

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John (C-IL)

09-07-2004 14:22:09




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to dej(JED), 09-07-2004 12:15:34  
Okay, In your corner of the world WD45's may be getting rare, but there is seldom a day goes by that some one here doesn't want to talk to me about their 45 or offers to sell me one. When we featured AC a few years ago I think every JD and IH guy in the club showed up at the show with one and pronounced it one of the handiest tractors they had ever owned.



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Dr.EVIL

09-07-2004 14:29:34




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 Re: Farmall vs. allis WD-45 in reply to John (C-IL), 09-07-2004 14:22:09  
Actually.... I think the D-17 gets that award!



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