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WILL

08-24-2004 04:51:25




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On a 6 volt postitive ground system I have a unit that appears to charge normally at startup. It initially charges at 20 amps and then decreases to almost zero after a short time. However, as the system comes up to operating temp charging begins to increase until the generator is giving all its got.. Help... Do I need a new regulator, generator, battery???
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TheRealRon

08-24-2004 06:15:25




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 Re: Generator/Alternator in reply to WILL, 08-24-2004 04:51:25  
Generator = not likely.

Regulator = possible.

Battery = bingo! The only effective way to test a battery is to do a "load test". Most garages and even auto parts stores do them for free. Another approach is to substitute a known good fully charged battery. If the problem still occurs, replace the regulator.



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Bob M

08-24-2004 05:47:05




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 Re: Generator/Alternator in reply to WILL, 08-24-2004 04:51:25  
Will - Surest test is to put an accurate voltmeter across the battery and observe it during a startup. As the ammeter reading increases, if the voltmeter reading exceeds 7.5 volts or so, the problem is most likely a bad regulator. (Verify by temporarily disconnecting the F wire at the regulator - if charging stops and the voltage drops off, the regulator's the problem).

However if the voltage falls below 6.5 volts as the ammeter reading increases suspect a failing battery.

Note: A cheap DVM (digital voltmeter) like sold by Radio Shack, etc. often give false readings on this type of testing. They are "fooled" by the electrical noise inherent in these systems. Better to use an old style analog meter, or a quality industrial DVM like a Fluke.

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Allan in NE

08-24-2004 06:07:43




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 Re: Generator/Alternator in reply to Bob M, 08-24-2004 05:47:05  
Mornin' Bob,

Maybe we should have mentioned to him not to let the thing run full charge for any long length of time.

Those systems can literally cook themselves to death.

Allan



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Bob M - indeed!

08-24-2004 08:34:17




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 Re: Generator/Alternator in reply to Allan in NE, 08-24-2004 06:07:43  
Good advice Allen! I've seen good batteries boiled to death in a just one day of running like that...



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Allan in NE

08-24-2004 05:29:45




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 Re: Generator/Alternator in reply to WILL, 08-24-2004 04:51:25  
Hi Will,

It almost sounds like maybe it's the battery.

If it comes up gradually as the temp increases, this indicates that the system is trying to charge what it 'sees' as a low battery.

But, if it just "jumps" up there, might be a short in the field windings, related field wire, or the regulator points are sticking when hot.

Next time you start it, give it plenty of throttle to assure generator speed and watch that gauge to see how quickly it jumps in there; if it comes up slow with the temp, I'd suspect & test that battery.

Tryin to help,

Allan

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