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question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS

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CHEAP_DAVE

08-21-2004 06:07:23




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I Have a front loader and after having numerous problems having a couple of cylinders rebuilt, I finally decided to muster up some courage and disassemble one myself, only to find that these are kind of simple.

Anyway my question is where would i find the seals and packings, etc.?

Does anyone know of an online outlet? Would I just mictometer everything (exact measurements from the existing)?

If the packings were good but the seal is leaking should I do the packings as well?

there is some scoring (44 year old machine) on the rod, mostly like the chrome is worn off. I realise this is the cause of the seal failure. Has anyone had to replace a rod? how and where?

This is a superior loader on a ford 841, one front cylinder is really giving me problems by constantly popping the snap ring off, and blowing the front seals and fluid out. The snap ring groove seams to have been abused by previous owners and I'm thinking it will need to be machined deeper for a slightly larger snap ring. this repetitive failure has started to wear on the front seal (this cylinder was Professionally rebuilt recently)

i appreciate any answers to my numerous questions


Thank you

dave

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Craig L

09-21-2004 20:48:27




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
Had the same problem with my superior loader front bucket cylinder. The cylinder leaked and after I rebuilt it, the snap ring kept on blowing out the front. I had a local hydraulic shop modify the head by boaring the head out to accept a larger snap ring. I"m still looking for a back-up replacement for this cylinder.



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Farmer Brown

08-22-2004 14:57:42




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
Shop where I buy seals also sells and builds new shaft---rods. You buy material by the inch and they cut off you old end and weld on then thread the other end for you piston. I have redone several cylinders with fair success. Have homemade a rod seal installation tool that works pretty good on the stiff seals. Can make for a couple dollars. You might find someone with a lathe to true up that ring keeper grove for you. Won't cost much to try. I find it hard to get some apart and am thinking of building a special tool for pulling the rod out of some. In worse case on a backhoe I just started it up and "shot" it out with hyd pres. Not a recommended way. but got it out--plus a bit of oil too. FB

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T_Bone

08-21-2004 17:06:48




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
Hi Dave,

For the rust and nicks inside the bore I used a engine cylinder hone mounted on a piece of 1/2" rod to reach the depth of the cylinder.

I wasn"t too conceened about the chrome pits and nicks. Ya it"ll let in a samll amount of dirt but not enough to be concerened about if the machine will be worked part time.

As stated Braum Hydrulics does a great job with seals. Yes change all seals while your in there.

For a odd size piston seals you can use ones cut out of leather if not available.

T_Bone

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Bob

08-21-2004 13:46:29




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
The Baum Hydraulics Company previously mentioned has special tough seals that are designed to hold up under conditions of a certain amount of scoring, if they have some that will fit your application. If you do not put a tremendous amount of hours on the machine, such a repair may last for a long time.

Machine shops that do hydraulic repairs, as well as hydraulic repair shops have access to chrome shafting in various sizes, and can make a replacement rod for nearly any cylinder. It won't be cheap, but if the original cylinders are custom to the application, rather than off-the-shelf standard units, this may be a viable option.

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John R.-IL

08-21-2004 10:23:48




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
For new cylinders try surpluscenter.com I agree if the cylinders are worn that much maybe new ones are in order.



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CRUSADER

08-21-2004 08:46:19




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
Dave,
Check to make sure the inside of the housing is clean and doesn't have wear or nicks in it. Also insure that you are using the correct size packings and seals. Make sure that when you install the rams into the cylinders that the packings and seals don't get pinched or twisted. It's been awhile since I have repaired any hydraulic cylinders, but this is one of the things that I have noticed that help ensure a long life for them.

Hope this helps,
Jim

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wilson

08-21-2004 08:12:57




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  

I have rebuilt seveal using parts from BAUM HYDRAULICS 1800 22892222 OR 1800 228 9288 They will send a catalog showing EVERY possible thing you need in hydraulics



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TheRealRon

08-21-2004 06:37:55




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 Re: question REBUILDING HYDRAULIC CYLINDERS in reply to CHEAP_DAVE, 08-21-2004 06:07:23  
I appreciate your enthusiasm but do yourself a favor... see www.northerntool.com and buy new cylinders. Once cylinders get to the point you described, they will cost you more to keep fixing in the long run than new ones.



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