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Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting.

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Tim Monnier

08-08-2004 07:26:06




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Hi Guys and Gals,
I bought this really nice "H" from a retired farmer that he spent 4 years restoring it, and I mean he did it all, if it sat next to a new tractor, you would know which one was new. he had a loader on it, and when I first tried it out it lifted fine, no prob. I got it to the house and of coarse trying it out I noticed it wouldn't lift even a half a bucket aof dirt. I checked it over and I seen there was only one (1) hose hooked up to one (1) ram cyl. So I hooked the other side up, did the same thing, it wouldn't pick up a bucket of firewood to put on the trailer. I called a few places and they ask what was the oil weight? They old farmer said 30 wth. non- deter. The farmall dealer said to put in 80-90 wth. because that is what belongs in it. Is that true? should I put in 80-90? in it. I tried to lift a small bucket of sand and it wouldn't even try to dig, not even abit. I don't know what year it is, but it DOESN'T have alive system, the clutch has to be out. It will lift empty just like it was suppose to do, but like I said 200lbs. it won't lift 2-3 ft. How can I give it more power? Someone said there was a cock pit on it somewhere and all I should have to do is turn it one way or the other to give it more power, I can't find that either, Please help me, Tim

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tim Monnier

08-11-2004 16:56:38




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to Tim Monnier, 08-08-2004 07:26:06  
I meant when I pick the loader up,, it will go up about 4-5 feet with about a wheel barrel full of weight, empty it will go all the way up.
I have a 5th wheel trailer, it was empty I just needed to lift it up to place some blocks under it, it wouldn't lift it up only about 1 foot or so, I know it should of picked it up all the way, wasn't that heavy. I can't believe there isn't away to adjust the lifting power somehow, as I said it's a older H but looks like its new, another thing I noticed was "after" I bought it, there was both of the hyd. hoses running to the right side ram, don't know why? I hooked up the oter side, they was just quick couplers and it still didn't notice a diff. Any advice to me guys??? Tim

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Hermit

08-11-2004 18:56:30




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to tim Monnier, 08-11-2004 16:56:38  
It still sounds to me like there's air in the actuators. The heavier the load, the more the air compresses, the less height it can go up. The actuators have to be bled from the upper end. They can't be bled by just running the loader up and down a few times.



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Ed

08-09-2004 10:38:37




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to Tim Monnier, 08-08-2004 07:26:06  
Tim

If I were you I'd convert to live hydralics. The pump goes right behind the distribuitor. I'd avoid using the belly pumps oil tank and strap on an aftermarket. I'd also get new spool valves. In the end you'll be better off with this setup as you won't have to have the clutch out to use the hyd's.

I think you could have one or more problems. I'd look at the following;

1.) 350 psi will bearly move the loader unless you have 6" cylinders and then real slow. You will need something closer to 1,000 psi

1-A.) You have bad spool valves that won't direct the proper pressure to the cylinders.

1-B.) the pump is tired and needs replacement

2.) The belly pump oil tank is too small for a single acting loader cylinder. When you raise up the loader it will suck all of the oil out of the tank and pump in air into the system. If you fill the tank in the raised position it will all squirt out of the breather when you let it down.

4.) If by chance the tank is large enough it is still too small to let the air bubbles settle out of the hyd fluid causing it to foam.

5.) 30 wt oil has a tendancy to foam you might want to switch to HYTran.

6.) Are the cylinder breathers on the cylinders clear. you might have a little water or oil in the top of the cylinder that can't get out the breather that will stop the loader from lifting.

I don't like the idea of running 90wt gear oil through a hydralic system. Its too thick and probably cause the system to overpressurize and blow something out. I'm not an expert on belly pumps other than how to unhook them and switch to live hyd.

30 wt is all I ever remember putting in until we switched to HyTran.

At some point in time my dad switched ofer to ATF fluid Dextran II and that ran fine for years.

I'm now back on HYTRAN

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john d

08-08-2004 21:08:33




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to Tim Monnier, 08-08-2004 07:26:06  
My first though was that it might be low on fluid, but you said it lifts okay with no load.
There is no external pressure adjustment on those hydraulic units. Air in the cylinders might be a possibility, low pump pressure from years of wear is a more likely bet. You could disconnect the hoses, plug one port and put a gauge on the other to test the pressure. If you do this, get a gage that reads about 1000 pounds. You may not need one that big right now, but if you have to re-build the pump, it's no trick to get 750 or more out of them.

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Hermit

08-08-2004 15:49:26




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to Tim Monnier, 08-08-2004 07:26:06  
Sounds to me like there is air in the actuators. By the time you lift up a load half way, you run out of fluid from your pump reservior. I'd bleed the air from the actuators and make sure the reservior stays full. Good luck.



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TheRealRon

08-08-2004 07:51:14




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to Tim Monnier, 08-08-2004 07:26:06  
Someone is very confused.The hydraulic system gets 30ND. The transmisson gets 75W-90.

The old-timer should have given you the Operator's Manual and Service Manual. Restoring the tractor without them is impossible. Between the two of them, any adjustments to the hydraulic system will be covered.



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Tim Monnier

08-08-2004 08:00:38




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 Re: Info. On Farmall h Loader problem lifting. in reply to TheRealRon, 08-08-2004 07:51:14  
Hi Again,
Ok So we got that figured out, but WHY would it not want to lift anything? there is no leaks, nothing that would make me think something is wrong, I recieved another note from someone telling me to adjust it to about 750 lbs. I was told by the old owner it is around 350lbs. How do I do That? Tim



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