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Steve MO

08-02-2004 08:28:48




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Thanks to all for their help regarding my Ford 861 running rough last week. Unfortunately, nothing helped. In fact now it won't even start.

I made sure everything was dry; checked, cleaned, re-gapped the spark plugs; checked the gap on the points; cleaned the sediment bowl and screen; and it still won't start. It turns over fine and tries to fire but never gets there.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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TomH

08-02-2004 15:51:59




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 Re: Tractor won't start in reply to Steve MO, 08-02-2004 08:28:48  
Checking the gap on the points isn't enough, replace them. The voltage across them is very low, only about 2 volts, it doesn't take much to stop that.



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TomH

08-02-2004 15:56:36




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 Re: Tractor won't start in reply to TomH, 08-02-2004 15:51:59  
Okay, maybe not 2 volts, but not very much, because there's a ballast resistor and the coil in series with the points. An electrical engineer can provide the math.



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Jon C -Florida

08-02-2004 15:45:46




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 Re: Tractor won't start in reply to Steve MO, 08-02-2004 08:28:48  
Steve -
Not sure if this was mentioned before, and MrFixIt alluded to it..... but have you checked the firing order of the plug wires? Pull the no. one cylinder and feel when it comes up on the compression stroke, and make sure it fires close to T.D.C.

Then check the rotation of the rotor and check to be sure the order is correct and a couple of the wires are not crossed.



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MrFixIt

08-02-2004 10:46:39




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 Re: Tractor won't start in reply to Steve MO, 08-02-2004 08:28:48  
Engines require 4 things to run; compression, timed valve train, timed hot spark, air/fuel mixture.

Check compression first. Next, try to start it while someone squirts some carb/choke cleaner directly in the carb throat. If it fires, even briefly, then you have a fuel delivery problem; if not, you have an ignition problem.

If ignition, use a spark plug tester (any auto store) to verify that the plugs are actually firing. The fact that a plug might fire outside the combustion chamber is meaningless. It must fire under compression. Then simply test for spark all the way back to the distributor.

If a fuel delivery problem, remove the carb carefully and verify that the float bowl is full. If not, there is an obstruction between the tank and bowl.

If the bowl is full, the carb has to come apart. Damaged float needle/seat, incorrect low/high speed adjustment, wrong float level... all have to be checked. If the carb and/or manifold have been off, check for vacuum leaks.

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msb

08-02-2004 09:41:20




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 Re: Tractor won't start in reply to Steve MO, 08-02-2004 08:28:48  
Check to see if the choke is fully closing.Once worked on a old Dodge truck that would not start.Finally found the spark plug gaskets were leaking enough on that old low compression engine to keep it from starting.You might want to squirt some oil around the base of the plugs to see if they aren't leaking compression when you crank it.Its a very good practice to blow out the plug holes each time the plugs are removed.Doesn't take much dirt to keep the plugs from sealing.Its especially important on an old low compression engine cranked with a slow 6 volt starter

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VADAVE

08-02-2004 08:54:16




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 Re: Tractor won't start in reply to Steve MO, 08-02-2004 08:28:48  
Time to go back to basics. With any gas engine 3 things are required--air, gas and spark.
Suggest going from easy to hard. Pull the air cleaner make sure nothing is in the carb throat, don't put the air claener back on and try to start it. Then make sure gas is getting to the carb. You could even give it a shot of ether and see if it will run. Finally make sure you have spark.



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