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Allan in NE

07-29-2004 04:16:17




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Hi All,

The wife and I spent a considerable amount of time yesterday in the local NRD offices going over the water table histories in this part of the state (Western NE).

We are toying with the idea of buying another tract of land and wanted to know what the ground water figures showed for the past few years in the differing areas.

Things just are not good here.

Due to the extreme dry conditions in our part of the country, ground water has been dropping at an alarming rate (5' in the past 10 years), which heretofore has been unheard of.

According to the officials, we are only about one season away from the water from all irrigation wells being "rationed" out. 100 miles southwest of us, this is already being done & and the drilling of any new wells is banned.

I used to have mixed feelings about the state boys having their fingers on the 'water throttle', but after seeing the maps showing all of the irrigation wells, I've changed my tune.

There are so many 1,000 & 1500 gpm pipes stuck in the ground out here that this region looks like an oversized pincushion. So, controlling the pumping now seems to me to be a good thing.

But yet, 300 miles to the east of us, the farmers cannot get the water to run off fast enough because they are totally saturated down there.

Water tables keep dropping and the land prices keep rising. Must be a population thing.

So, it looks as though we are going to be learning how to scratch the dirt in a dry land fashion. Please send rain,

Allan

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Bart

07-31-2004 03:39:16




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
Been raining 4 0ut 0f 5 days here in Vermont since May. Got and cheap land in Neraska?



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Dieselrider

07-29-2004 18:02:58




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
I sure wish I could send you some of the rain we've been having here this year.We've had about seven inches in the past couple weeks. Everything is soaked and water coming out places you never saw it come out of before. Someone in the supply section messed up and we got your share too. Send an address and I'll put it in an envelope to ya.



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Robert

07-29-2004 14:29:52




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
I had to comment on this water topic, as it is a real concern in my part of the world, too (Central Texas). We've been real fortunate this year in having a wetter than normal summer, but most years, water is an issue.
Around here, it's too many folks moving in, planting non-native grass for yards (San Augustine is the favorite), mowing it too short, then, watering like h*** to keep it alive.
Doesn't make much sense to me, but lots of folks do it, and won't change their way of doing things.

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Nebraska Cowman

07-29-2004 06:13:35




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
Allan, I'd put my eggs in the dryland basket. This dry cycle has to end sometime and make us all money again. At the rising cost of fuel pumping water is going by the wayside fast.



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Allan in NE

07-29-2004 06:59:52




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-29-2004 06:13:35  
NC,

Yes, this was our thinking also.

Plus the fact that we aren't doing this as an 'economic endeavor' as such.

We just want to get out there and scratch around in the dirt and live amongst the critters once again.

We really miss the lifestyle. We miss your world.

Allan



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rustyfarmall

07-29-2004 05:36:29




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
Hey Allen! Got that funnel ready? It is raining here right now.



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Ron

07-29-2004 04:45:04




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
Rain has nothing to do with drawdown in most aquifers in the short term. It takes many years, even hundreds, for surface water to make it to the aquifer. The problem with aquifers is simple, more water is being pumped than is naturally replaced. Talk to someone in CO sometime, it's so bad there that even if you have a river on your property, you can't take one drop out of it. Drill a well? Forget it!

Adequate water is essential for home or farm. Unless you want to be farming like they do in Ethiopia, you might want to think about moving to a place where land is cheap and water is abundant.

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RAB

07-29-2004 05:41:09




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 Re: Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Ron, 07-29-2004 04:45:04  
Ron,
You are forgetting that rainfall is related to irrigation needs.
More rain, less irrigation required from elsewhere.
In the very short term the odd metre or so of rain should reduce the draw down, but as you said, it may not have the desired effect of raising aquifer stocks very noticeably
Regards, RAB



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Allan in NE

07-29-2004 05:09:17




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 Re: Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Ron, 07-29-2004 04:45:04  
Mornin' Ron,

Well, yes and no. Water works a little differently than oil or coal deposits do & it depends upon the particular region in question.

We, in this part of the country, pump from anywhere from 180 to 600'. At these depths, monitoring stations measure ground water temps.

In this region, these temps show that the recharge will always hit that aquifer within 48 hours. This is a documented fact & this is how the water tables are now being governed by the different states involved.

But, like you say though and I agree, the problem lies in the amount coming out vs the amount being recharged. Too many holes in the ground!

That Ogallala Aquifer, which used to be a huge four-state underground ocean is shrinking and it is shrinking fast.

Allan

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rustyfarmall

07-29-2004 04:27:58




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 Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:16:17  
Allen, we have more than we need here, although the crops for the most part do look very good. Maybe we could rig up a sort of funnel over this part of the country and then just pipe it over to you? We would gladly share if it was possible.



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Allan in NE

07-29-2004 04:47:57




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 Re: Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to rustyfarmall, 07-29-2004 04:27:58  
Mornin'

Sounds like a plan!

They were telling yesterday that a lot of the guys down there around Kearney and on east are just spinning the pivots around just once so that they can apply their chemicals. What a difference just a few hundred miles makes!

The ones that are really going to be hurting are the fellas that are pumpin water on alfalfa. Sounds like they will be squeezed down to just 14" a year. Ouch! That just ain't a gonna work.

And so it goes,

Allan

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kyhayman

07-29-2004 08:14:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Starting to Pinch in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 04:47:57  
Those guys will have to rethink how they put the water on. Some really neat research done in Israel on using irrigation tape burried 30" in alfalfa. I visited some folks in Nevada using it, looked good. They werent getting the yields that the overhead guys were getting there but were definitely getting yields comp to what we do (5-6 tpa) on much less water (10" a year through the tape).



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