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Stan(PA)

07-28-2004 14:13:59




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Bought a 39 Allis B recently, or so I thought. Drove 4 hours to check it out, agreed on price and delivery, shook hands. Been waiting for delivery, got an email today saying he sold it locally. To me, the handshake was always better than a contract. Apparently, to some others it don't mean beans. Sure miss the old days, use to be you could trust people.....




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Stan(PA)

07-29-2004 16:33:34




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
I see comments are about 50/50. Some understand what I'm talking about, others see the "tire kickin' moron". Fact is, I offered to pay the FULL amount up front, both price and delivery. He said he just get the money when he delivered it. Seemed to me he was being right neighborly. Wasn't that I didn't offer payment up front, full price too, because I felt it was a good deal. Maybe I'll join the "handshake don't mean s**t" side. Just sorry I have to.

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Nolan

07-30-2004 05:56:41




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-29-2004 16:33:34  
And that's "the rest of the story". Sounds like he got a better offer and abandoned you. Shame.



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Tim in NB

07-29-2004 10:31:58




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
I had a job I needed done at the house. It was filling in a big hole with gravel and move some big rocks with an excavator so water wouldn't wash out gravel. Had a couple of guys up to look. One guy couldn't do it and the other guy could do it in a month or two. In the meantime, things happened at work and I left to go back to school for 2 years. Told the guy about it and said I wouldn't be gettin the job done for a couple of years. One day that fall he arrives with his riggin' and says that he has some time to do that job. He says I can pay him when I get outta of school. Says knew my granddad and his word was good so mine should be too. I tried to convince him that I could wait but he insisted.

He did the job on a hand shake that I would pay him in a couple of years!!!!! Luckily I got a good job lined up before I graduated and I worked some hard to pay him by the middle of that summer. When I arrived with the cash, he said I didn't mean you had to pay me all at once. Can you believe it???
That guy will do any job for me and I always pay him within 30 days. All because of a hand shake!!

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Jim B

07-29-2004 12:10:12




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Tim in NB, 07-29-2004 10:31:58  
Stan, Both you and the other gentleman are to be commended. Not many around like you any more. You have what most people are missing, It’s called character.



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Jim B

07-29-2004 12:12:10




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Jim B, 07-29-2004 12:10:12  
Pardon me, Tim was the correct name.



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Tim in NB

07-29-2004 17:22:02




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Jim B, 07-29-2004 12:12:10  
Thanks Jim B!!



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Jed

07-29-2004 06:02:03




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Stan, I wouldn't worry about it. The guy's word as with most people's today is meaningless. Even a lot of these comments are from idiots. I understand exactly what you are saying. My most recent occurence was with a guy from NEW H. He calls about wheel weights and wants to know how many I have. I tell him 7 sets and we agree on the price and he is to send me a deposit and pick them up on his way to Ohio to get a tractor. I never receive a deposit and he never calls. Tues. at 6 AM he wakes me up to discuss the weights again. He was supposedly on his way to get a tractor in OHIO and wanted to come get the weights on his return Wed. morning. Well you guessed it, he never showed. If you run into a guy from New H., who says he is pulling an M watch out.

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Nolan

07-29-2004 05:06:55




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Why didn't *you* put a deposit down and draw up a contract? There's more to this story then you're telling.



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Ron

07-29-2004 03:17:13




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Look at it from the seller's point of view.

Buyer "A"

1) Lots of talk
2) No cash
3) No trailer
4) Wants me to deliver the thing 4 hours away
5) Wants me to assume risk... what if he won't accept it, or if he tries to get me to drop the price, or what if he tries to hand me a check, or what if he doesn't have the money, or what if he's some kind or flake just wasting my time, etc.

Buyer "B"

1) Pays cash and hauls it away.
2) Zero risk

I don't know what the practice is where you live but here it's called "cash on the farm". No piece of equipment ever leaves a farm until it's been paid for in full. People still shake hands, they just do it with cash in them!

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Stan(PA)

07-29-2004 16:26:04




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 Re: Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Ron, 07-29-2004 03:17:13  
Offered to pay total up front. He said, "no, just pay me when I bring it up". I had the money, not just talk.



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JDknut

07-29-2004 03:58:53




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 Re: Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Ron, 07-29-2004 03:17:13  
Up here it's called "Money talks and B**S**T walks".



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Roy in UK

07-28-2004 23:13:05




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Handshake agreements? What about the one between Harry Ferguson and Henry Ford!



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Davis In SC

07-28-2004 19:22:22




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
I was on the other side of the fence... A guy was going to buy some shop equipment, was going to be back with money on a Monday. We shook hands on it. Another guy heard about my stuff, & wanted it, this was several days before buyer was supposed to pay me & pick stuff up. This other guy showed me the cash, but I told him I could not break my commitment to first buyer. The buyer never showed up, second guy got mad & will not buy now. So I still have the machinery. Cash Talks !!!

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Mark - IN.

07-28-2004 19:20:26




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Sorry to hear it. Yep, money changing hands and takin it with you would've made a difference for sure, but the guy did say "a handshake...", and I was raised to keep my word and "gentlemen agreements". Real sorry to hear it.



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Kens640

07-28-2004 19:10:38




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Hand shakes ? The saying is : a pile of dung is just a handshake away ! Years ago I visited an ole timer I used to work with at a shop . He had a Jubilee that I was trying to persuade him to sell me . I noticed a set of 2 bottom 14" plows & a sickle bar mower for it setting down in his field that hadn't been moved for years . I asked him about them . He said if I could get them out of his way I could have them but he wouldn't part with the tractor yet . Well I had a trailer available so I went back home to get it & thought I'd call another fellow I had known that just lived about 1 mile past my ole friend . He had a Ford 800 with a front loader . I asked him if he would drive down & load them into my trailer for me in about an hour . He says , I can't this evening but in a couple days I will . He promised to call me . well I waited a few days & decided to call him up . No answer . So I got a rough tough buddy to ride with me to help hand load them . got there & they were gone . Here that Ahole went right down that evening & told my friend that I had said to tell him that I couldn't pick them up & he was to for me . That bird has the gull to smile at me when he sees me to this day . I trust nobody anymore with dealings . Money in hand & trailer on the back of me truck is the best agreement . Good luck next time . Ken C

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Leroy

07-28-2004 18:17:21




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
This was several year ago, combine advertised about 30 mile from home, looked it over, wrote check would not start and had to get a trailer to haul, lined up trailer, went back to make araingements, would not let me have it, laywer contacted him, did not get combine but he had destroyed the check, it was also in writing, I ended up with his owners manual that I had taken with me when the check was written

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Leroy

07-29-2004 03:50:10




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 Re: Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Leroy, 07-28-2004 18:17:21  
Forgot to add, he paid my leagal bills



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Mike (WA)

07-28-2004 17:48:45




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Saw a deal in a regional farm classified one time- $4,500 price, which seemed about 2K under market price. Called the guy at 9 PM, he described the tractor, it sounded good. I asked about looking at it the next day (about 300 miles away)- he said someone was coming about 10 AM. I told him I would try to come down "sometime tomorrow". Left at o-dark-thirty, "just happened" to show up about 9:00 AM., with trailer. Tested the tractor, it was excellent, and kept one eye on the road for the guy coming. I saw dust cloud down the road, so I was just peeling off the last hundred dollar bill when he pulled in the driveway. Used the tractor for 2 years, sold it for $6,250. Moral of the story- 1) take cash; 2) take trailer; 3) get there first. The handshake deals are fine, but you gotta pass some money along too, or he'll just consider it a backup offer to anything better that comes along.

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UFO Man

07-28-2004 17:20:06




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Ol' buddy, take comfort in the fact that the first time the new owner starts this tractor, it will throw the rod that has been waiting for its' big moment.

AND that the guy who sold it out from under you is still trying to collect on the bounced check.

It all works out in the end as no good deed goes unpunished.



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mike

07-28-2004 16:30:18




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Why did you drive 4 hours ,buy a tractor and not pay for it? I don't care for down payments,that's
usually the kind of guys that back out,you either
want it and pay for it or you don't.



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51 Pony

07-28-2004 16:22:05




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Stan,
You got good advice from all these guys. Especially Dave Id!



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Jim.UT

07-28-2004 16:02:34




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
Yeah, it's too bad. But now you know that, take your trailer next time. If you make a deal, pay for it and take it with you before he has a chance to change his mind.

I bought a running complete Farmall Cub for $500. When we drove it out of the guy's back yard and onto my trailer, the seller's neighbor came running from across the street to see it. He had no idea the thing was hiding in his neighbor's back yard. If I hadn't had my trailer there that day I'm sure the neighbor would have upped my offer as soon as I left.

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Dave_Id

07-28-2004 16:01:59




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
It was meant to be Stan.. you need to stick with Massey Harris'



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Stan(PA)

07-29-2004 16:37:20




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 Re: Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Dave_Id, 07-28-2004 16:01:59  
I needed a little company for the Massey, Ford, and Farmall. Guess I'm stupid and color blind. Can't help feeling stupid that I still believed in a handshake and a man's word. Feel even worse seeing so many don't anymore.



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MMB

07-28-2004 14:45:45




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 Re: Bought a tractor??? in reply to Stan(PA), 07-28-2004 14:13:59  
No deposit given when you purchased it? No bill of sale showing the deposit and amount owing upon delivery? You're probably right, handshakes aren't what they used to be but on the other hand, I can see a guy selling it quick-like without the hassle of a 4 hour delivery if the thing wasn't tied up with a deposit, then you would have something to fall back on. Probably just as well, the guy is probably a shyster and something might not have worked out later with the tractor. Good luck next time.

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