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removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh

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Tim

07-27-2004 09:34:12

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case 680C backhoe with 1.5 inch lug nuts. I ahve soaked them in PB blaster-hit the with heat 3/4" breaker bar, 3/4" impact and added some large pipes that just bent my breaker bar...they will not budge-any suggestions. Where can I get a 1" breaker bar? I just cannot get any of the lugs to budge...Thanks ~TIM~

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Wayne

07-27-2004 21:26:46

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Do a searh on this site for Swench Wrench. They've been discussed several times in the past few months I believe on the tool board. You can get more info from the other posts, but the short version is it's a hand operated impact that is made by Curtis Wright in sizes from 1/2 to 1-1/2 drive. In the 1" version it delivers up to 2000ftlb of torque in either direction, depending on where you set the spring. Several guys on here have them and all seem to like them. I know I love the one I keep on my service truck just for situations like you describe. Well actually I'd use my 1" impact for big lug nuts but when that doesn't work I break out the Swench because it's meaner than my impact. You can get more info on where to find them in the other posts, but short version again, you find them in military surplus stores or on Ebay. Good luck.

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Davis In SC

07-27-2004 20:51:56

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

I have spent most of my life in the machine shop business. Yes , I have had to heat lots of parts up to get them loose. Several references were made to "Cherry Red" which is around 1,500 Degrees F. IMO, if you have heated a lugnut/stud that hot, it should be replaced. Chances are , depending on the alloy of the part,that much heat has softened it. Regards, Davis

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SteveD

07-27-2004 20:47:54

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Heat nut cherry red and water cool while red untill cool to touch nut will come off easily have done this many times in industrial field works every time.

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Mark - IN.

07-27-2004 18:04:24

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Tim, heat works wonders and is a sound, old trick. When you heated up though, you only heated the nuts right? Sometimes folks get a little upset, anxious, and stuff and heat the whole thing, which defeats the purpose by expanding the studs or bolts as well. As for 1"er's, I got mine decades ago at Fleet Supply, which aint around here anymore (miss it too), but maybe TSC has them - I don't know. And watch extending them pipes (cheater bars) - my brother and I used a coupler to add on another 6' onto a 6'x3" well drive pipe in desperation this past Saturday. Pretty stupid. Lasted about 2 seconds and my brother ended up on the ground with a knot the size of a golf ball on his forehead. Cheap pipe and two dummies. Won't ever do that again, no matter how desperate.

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Scotty

07-27-2004 14:10:31

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Dealerships have some awsome tools out there! I dont know what Impact drive You were using; But I know a John Deere dealer that has a 1200 ft. lbs impact gun in the shop, & it sounds like You might need one, or have a dealer do itn for You.

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txblu

07-27-2004 12:45:53

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Not to be a smart a.. but are they standard left hand threads? I know farm stuff uses them exclusively, but don't know about industrial.

Mark

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paul

07-27-2004 13:54:36

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Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to txblu, 07-27-2004 12:45:53

I ran into that on my Gleaner combine one time, a drive sprocket is _threaded_ on a big shaft, didn't know that. We had it cherrt red, pulled & pounded, would not budge. Actually was bending the thick sproket. Took it to a machinest, he looked at it, said I wonder if it's threaded....

D'oh.

--->Paul

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txblu

07-28-2004 05:45:14

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Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to paul, 07-27-2004 13:54:36

Was it?

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paul

07-28-2004 06:48:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to txblu, 07-28-2004 05:45:14

Yup. Now I know. As most owners of the silver machines can say, the little seperator drive sprocket is a thread on. At least we had the rust knocked off by then! :)

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

07-28-2004 13:36:03

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhh in reply to paul, 07-28-2004 06:48:32

So we're not the only two that did that!

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txblu

07-29-2004 09:19:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help- in reply to JMS/MN, 07-28-2004 13:36:03

Ok!

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txblu

07-28-2004 09:08:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhh in reply to paul, 07-28-2004 06:48:32

10-4

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Brad in VA

07-27-2004 11:11:25

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

I agree with the heat idea, it works wonders, also something you might consider in the future for incase you ever need to remove them again is AntiSieze. Best stuff ever made.

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kyhayman

07-27-2004 10:56:46

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Heat, lots and lots of heat. Need a pretty big tip to bring the nut up without wicking heat into the bolt.

I had some on a 7600 Ford I bought, wheels were dished in and I wanted them dished out (for stability). Tried a 3/4" drive socket with breaking bar. Broke the bar with 6' of pipe. Put a heavier bar on and tried 12' of pipe and broke the socket. Heated them about 5 mins each with a #2 cutting tip and used a 3/4" drive socket with 4' of cheater bar. All came 'right' off with my 250# on the bar. With enough heat and a long enough bar they will come off or twist off.

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Ron

07-27-2004 10:56:16

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

I bought a 1" drive set from www.northerntool.com years ago and it's just what you need.

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Ol Chief

07-27-2004 18:32:36

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Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Ron, 07-27-2004 10:56:16

A word of caution on heated nuts.It is risky to turn a nut when it or the stud is real hot. In patticular if either part is red hot. With the metal in a softened state it is easy to tear a thread loose at which point it will act like a ratchet pawl and then you will never remove it without some destruction of some member.I know the temptation is usually there to move when it is very hot because have done so and learned from more than one sour experience.

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Jon C -Florida

07-28-2004 17:24:22

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Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Ol Chief , 07-27-2004 18:32:36

You and others on this post raise a good point. I use the "heat wrench" generally on things that I plan on replacing with new studs or nuts. So, on lug nuts that are expensive to replace, heating should be one of the last resorts after the other ideas sugggested on thes post are tried.

Thanks!

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Mark - IN.

07-27-2004 18:51:28

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Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Ol Chief , 07-27-2004 18:32:36

I agree with you absolutely. Heating the area moderately often works fine, but if it doesn't move on to something else, even if have to split the nut, which is a do or die situation. Cherry red heating would seem to me to have transferred the heat to the other surface and expanded it as well. And if locks up on you (ratchet), then your goose is cooked. I've never tried PB Blaster, or even heard of it until here, but it sounds like a good tool if I ever run across it, I'll certainly give it a shot. I wonder if you heat (warm) up a surface, such as a lug nut, if you can then apply it and have it sink in better/easier? Or will the heat cause it to crystalize and become more of a problem? Maybe someone else knows. Too much heat aint necessarily a good thing.

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Ron

07-28-2004 03:10:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Mark - IN., 07-27-2004 18:51:28

The correct way to apply PB Blaster is to spray it on and then tap the part lightly with a small hammer just enough to setup a vibration to help the PB work its way in. Depending upon how rusty the part is, you may have to repeat several times. Heat is rarely necessary but can be applied just before you are ready to remove the part.

I agree with you... heating lug nuts to cherry red is a great way to destroy the studs.

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Jon C - florida

07-27-2004 10:31:03

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

Tim - you said you used heat? How much heat? Try some serious heat with an oxy-acytiline torch until the nuts are CHERRY red without cutting them.

Have the out rigger down to take the load off the wheel.

Then after the nut is CHERRY red, put your socket and breaker bar back on...and I'll bet you will hear it squeek and back off the stud.

Have a bucket of water handy to cool the socket, and in case of fire.

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Dave_Id

07-27-2004 10:25:36

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Re: removing lug nuts!!! help-ahhhhh in reply to Tim, 07-27-2004 09:34:12

I had some 2 3/4 in hex head nuts on a Standard Massey Harris 101 Senior axle bolts. I was able to move them with a 1 inch impact wrench I borrowed from my local IH dealer. I hooked direct to 1/2 inch air hose without fittings, after impacting for a couple of minutes, they finally started busting loose.

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