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Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh

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pbutler

07-13-2004 10:15:15

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I am a new farmer and have been attending auctions and building equipment...most work custom done this year.

The farm I grew up on was all green so I guess I naively assumed all hydraulic hookups were generic.

It seems every piece of equipment I buy and every tractor has different connector sizes or types. My tractors so far are a John Deere 4630 (JD of course) and Massey 255 (uses 3/8 Pioneer).

I have several things I would like to use on both tractors-or simply to move around. How do you guys deal with this problem?

It may cost a little but at this point I am thinking of going to the largest denominator and making all the ends fit the deere and just keep an adapter on the little 255 or other tractors I use???

Any input would be appreciated

Thanks

Paul Butler

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Shane

07-14-2004 06:08:40

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

Just swapped a Case 1070 from the old Case fittings to the Pioneer. Cost was about $40 for both the female fitting for tractor and male end for implement from Tractor Supply. Why pay for Deere price when cheaper couplers work just as well. Also available in Shoup catalogue but not sure of price there. No problems yet but when it comes to Hyd oil we use Citgo brand as it is compatiable with most systems. Any brand will be fine as long as it says specifically is compatiable with so and so systems (usually a big long list), if it doesn't say that I wouldn't use it myself.

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JMS/MN

07-13-2004 13:07:00

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

Welcome to farming! It took 40 years to standardize hydraulics to the ISO couplers- don't expect much more standardization soon. ISO does fit the old Pioneer found on many other implements, while IH and older JD had a different coupler. I run JD and AC, and use some adapter couplers, which have never caused a leakage problem, although certainly the potential is there. Any extra connection is a source of leaks. My three field tractors each have triple outlets, but I would never switch some and not all to a different style coupler. Too confusing- and if I pull a machine that needs two outlets, if one blows an o-ring in the field I can just plug in to the spare. Best to keep each tractor the same. Replacing barrels to the new style gets spendy- about $100 per pop. A half dozen adapters at $10-15 each is a good alternative.

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Bob

07-13-2004 13:16:43

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Re: Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to JMS/MN, 07-13-2004 13:07:00

There's been no confusion on mine. The openings in the one set of Deere couplers are noticeably bigger than the ISO tips, and having the one set of Deere couplers available has sure been handy a number of times when I've helped neighbors out, and hooked to a piec of their equipment!

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Ray

07-13-2004 11:53:33

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

John Deere can't even make up there mind the older tractors use different fittings than the newer ones,adapters usually leak.

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pbutler

07-13-2004 11:23:13

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

Great answers from everyone here! Thanks a lot.

Ben (I think) mentioned universal hydraulic fluid-so far the only thing I have done is change the fluid in the 4630 and I paid for the JD HiGuard hydraulic fluid.

The massey has whatever the dealer put in the just before I got it. (They had to change it for some rear end work)

I hate to pay the Deere cost for all but I am a little leary of the Majik cheap stuff Farm & Fleet sells.

What do you remcommend for a good (and affordable) "Universal" fluid?

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Ben in KY

07-14-2004 06:27:13

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Re: Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 11:23:13

Around here most people use either the TSC Premium UTF or Warren brand that the local oil distributor sells. No one has complained or had any tranny lube related problems. Just be sure it meets the specs for all of your tractors you use it in. TSC has theirs on sale 6 gal bucket for under $26.00. Everyone I have ever known that has had tranny related lube problems caused it themselves by neglect. Not changing it when water contaminated, not changing filters or letting the level get too low.

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James

07-14-2004 05:34:32

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Re: Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 11:23:13

I am no fan of JD but they have the best hyd/trans oil in the business, sans synthetics which JD now also offers. I use it in everything except our IH tractors. The JD has a excellent friction modifier/antiwear agent, a zinc phosphate compound which is put in for gears/bearings etc, but also causes the clutches to slip a little more. This can play havoc with IH clutch life and shift characteristics. JD clutch design allows for the extra slippage and they can have the benefit of less gear/bearing etc wear. It is difficult for me to understand why someone would buy a $10,000-$20,000 tractor and be willing to cut corners on lubricant. How many times are you going to change the oil? Every year like they say or more like every 5-10 years. I will continue to purchase the best lubricant I can find and in the end it will prove to be the best buy.

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Bob

07-13-2004 12:00:09

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Re: Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 11:23:13

If the Majik? oil where you are is the same as here, I believe it's made by CITGO petroleum, and you'd expect that to be a quality product.

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Ron

07-13-2004 11:35:15

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Re: Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 11:23:13

JD not only made funky hydraulic fittings they pulled the same scam with 3 pt. bushings. There is a JD size and an "all other".

There is no "magic" about JD parts, no better, no worse than anyone else's. Tractor Supply & Mills Fleet Farm have good quality stuff cheap. I've used their Q/C hydraulic fittings for many years with no problems.

I use Farm Oyl "Agmaster". It meets everybody's specs and has a wide temperature range.

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Ben in KY

07-13-2004 11:03:17

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

Switching hydraulic equip between tractors is also another reason to use a good Universal hydraulic fluid in all of them. Use one that meets the specs for them all and no worry about mixing or putting the wrong kind in one.

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Bob

07-13-2004 10:42:36

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

You can buy coupler barrel changeover kits from Deere to switch your 4630 couplers to Pioneer (ISO).

My 8630 has three SCV's. I changed the outer two to Pioneer-style (ISO) and left the center unit Deere. Most of my equipment uses only two hookups, and my Versatile tractor also uses Pioneer (ISO), so I can switch implements between the two. Since I still have the one SCV set up with Deere couplers, if I borrow, or need to move a piece of equipment with Deere hydraulic tips, I'm covered there, too.

I believe the part # is RE13813, @ $65.00 per coupler.

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paul

07-13-2004 10:34:05

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

The 'standard' is 1/2" Pioneer. For a couple of decades everybody tried to have their own best idea. We are slowly returning to the 1/2" Pioneer on everything.

I Keep several spare Pioneers around the place, so I can take off whatever junk is on the implements I buy, & put on Pioneer tips. Converted one tractor to Pioneer.

When you rent stuff, most will be or offer 1/2" Pioneer tips first, with other possiblities.

That's what I would go with.

--->PAul

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nebraska cowman

07-13-2004 10:19:43

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Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to pbutler, 07-13-2004 10:15:15

I use 1/2 inch Pioneer on everything. The new Deeres use Pioneer.

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buickanddeere

07-13-2004 10:30:04

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Re: Re: Hydraulic Hookup Differences...aarrgggh in reply to nebraska cowman, 07-13-2004 10:19:43

Deere is back to Pioneer? Pioneer was used from the two cylinder era until switching to ISO in the 1980's or so.

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