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chuck grandgent

07-13-2004 04:46:36




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I ran across this in my NAPA catalog, sounds like it MAYBE might be nice for repairing leaky block, does anybody have experience with these ? It is a bit pricey at $325.99. - "This power tool's uses include shaft build-up, cast iron and cracked exhaust manifold repair, hardfacing plow shears, disc blades, cam lobes and augers. Comes complete with "How to" video. Manufactured by Victor Equipment Co."

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kyhayman

07-13-2004 11:29:03




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 Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to chuck grandgent, 07-13-2004 04:46:36  
For the money I'd try 99% nickel on an arc welder. Even with school kids I can get them repairing cracks in castings, usually in 1 class period. Less nickel is good for joining steel to cast or other things but the challenge to using the rod goes up. Usually give them a 1/2 pound of nickel rods, propane blow torch to preheat an broken pieces of cast, and an A/C welder. At the end of 3 weeks of welding steel they get a day to weld cast horizontal, vertical, and down hand to tun in for a stress test, Only way to get better than a C is for the cast to break before the weld in the press. Better than 90% make it.

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Chuck in FL

07-13-2004 12:14:26




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 Re: Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to kyhayman, 07-13-2004 11:29:03  
any guidance on requisite pre-cleaning ? Gunk brake cleaner stuff, sanding etc ? Thanks very much !



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kyhayman

07-13-2004 18:12:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to Chuck in FL, 07-13-2004 12:14:26  
Metal needs to be clean of grease, oil, and anything flammable. Then grind it, lightly. You may find crazing (hair line cracks that will extend beyond the primary. I really like to drill a hole in each end of the crack. The mfg of the nickel rods I have been using (Lincoln Electric) says no preheat required but I have much better luck with than without. A lot is going to depend on if it is internal or external. External cracks are easy, all you are doing is trying to keep water in, deep fusion is not necessarily what you need. Main thing is keep the welds very short and let the metal cool (to the touch) if you cant preheat. In reality, it will probably be just as cheap to take the unit to a welding shop. By the time you buy a pound of rods (you will want to practice before you weld your block) for $25.00 you can pay a shop to do the job. Once you start, they may not take it. Inside cracks are definitely best left to others.

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george md

07-13-2004 13:55:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to Chuck in FL, 07-13-2004 12:14:26  
Chuck, Clean , V , and preheat to min 900 deg.

Below is a link to cast iron welding written

by a fellow that has been repairing cast iron

for a very long time. The link will take you thru

several pages , especially informative for those

that think they know a lot about cast repair .

george

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george md

07-13-2004 10:17:24




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 Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to chuck grandgent, 07-13-2004 04:46:36  
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Chuck, Metal spray comes in basic types, hot spray (
usually called powder spray ) requires the base
material be quite hot much like brazing and the
spray material will (wet) flow somewhat like brazing . The other system , cold spray requires
base metal to be minimum 200 deg and not over
500 deg , work is under cut and sprayed to slightly
over size and turned to finish size. It is used
mostly for shaft and bearing bore repair. The hot spray will do repair on castings and manifolds , but a crack in the side of a block will have the same problem with expansion and
contraction as any other type of weld . I have had both types of spray for more than 30 years and when I need to repair castings and
especially manifolds I use oxy/acet cast iron rod and preheat as necessary . Below is a link to my web site with some cast
iron repair and some other things , also a link
from there to a sequence of the repairs . In the
terra axle repair there are several pictures of
the prep , spray , and the finished spray on the
seal surface.

george

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TimV

07-13-2004 07:25:01




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 Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to chuck grandgent, 07-13-2004 04:46:36  
Chuck: We have one at work, and it is great for building up shafts, etc. I don't know how it would work on a block, however. It's mainly meant for adding a thin coating of metal to a surface, and then building up the area by repeated applications. For a cracked block, where you have to penetrate the crack, I don't know if it would work, even with appropriate v-grooving.



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Mike M

07-13-2004 05:31:18




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 Re: Powder spray torch ? in reply to chuck grandgent, 07-13-2004 04:46:36  
That sounds like what they used at a place where my cousin had worked. They could undercut a shaft and build it back up--great for where seals ride.
He also spray coated aluminum on manifolds and exhaust pipes it held up good. I don't know about any uses on cracks.



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