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PaMike

06-30-2004 18:52:24

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I went to look at a tractor tonight and the rear tires by my standards were pretty well shot. I asked the guy if he had a set of used tires to throw in to sweeten the deal. He claims that those radial tires make a huge difference in traction over standard rears. He said " when I switched to radials it was like I went from a 2 wheel drive tractor to a 4 wheel drive." Any truth in the claims or was he just trying to sell a tractor?

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07-03-2004 18:13:23

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Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to PaMike, 06-30-2004 18:52:24

I had a tire repair service out on wednesday and he said the only place you might consider bias tires if for the front end of a loader tractor because the side walls of a radial won't last as well. I have run radials since 1989 and my only comments are that they are superior but Firestone 23's are not worth a damn. When I need to replace tires in the future they will be Michelin XM108's.

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LEE

07-01-2004 21:10:44

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Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to PaMike, 06-30-2004 18:52:24

I would go radails but the firestones are not as good as michelins , we found out this spring after putting new tires on an 8850 .before this the 8640 would keep up with it it has f-stones on it but know the 88 with michelins just walks all over it. in fields a mile long it takes him about a minute or so to get to the end after i turn around and head back there amazing tires and seem to hold better in soft damp ground . just what ever you buy go radail

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buickanddeere

07-03-2004 21:03:57

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Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to LEE , 07-01-2004 21:10:44

Which model(s) of Firestone radials. They have the 7000,9000 and another couple of versions.

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leland

07-03-2004 22:07:59

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Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to buickanddeere, 07-03-2004 21:03:57

I don't know the 23degs are about 5 yrs old . but all i know the michelins out perform the firestones the farm i worked on had several soil types , and those tires amazed me

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Indydirtfarmer

07-01-2004 05:10:04

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Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to PaMike, 06-30-2004 18:52:24

Keep in mind that you DO NOT want to put fluid in radial tires. If the tractor needs more wieght, you have to do it with cast iron wheel wieghts.

As I replace tires on my own tractors, I will ONLY USE RADIALS. hey do make a big difference. Just hang on to your wallet..... .They ain't cheap. John

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mike

07-01-2004 13:43:05

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Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 07-01-2004 05:10:04

a bald radial will out pull a new bias. don't ask me how I know this but I told him he shoulda put a new set of radials on instead of that one cheap bias tire.

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Ron

07-01-2004 05:27:15

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Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 07-01-2004 05:10:04

Firestone does not agree with you. Liquid ballast is fine in any 2WD tractor and can be used in 4WD tractors as long as you follow their recommendations.

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Indydirtfarmer

07-01-2004 06:39:23

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Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Ron, 07-01-2004 05:27:15

A large part of what makes radial work better , is their ability to function at lower air pressure than a bias ply tire. Fluid filled tires, while they may be inflated to the same pressure as an air-filled tire, have the distinct disadvantage of fluids lack of "compres-ablity" An air filled tire inflated to, let's say, 12 PSI, will sag more than a fluid filled tire at the same pressure. To get a fluid filled tire to sag as much, you need to under-inflate them to well below recomended PSI for a bias ply tire, and to the very minimum on a radial. My GoodYear Radials are recommended to be used "fluid-free". Guess it's like any number of things..... As many opinions as there are people. John

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Shep Va

07-01-2004 14:11:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 07-01-2004 06:39:23

We started using radials on our tractors about 5 years ago and are slowly switching all of them over to radials. They are soooo much better in the ride quality the float on wet ground and the pull power then the bias.

Also we have always filled the tires to the top of the rims with fluid as we run fluid in almost all the tractors on the farm, never had any problems. Been using mainly Titan and BFG radials and so far have had excellent luck with both. These are the 20.8 x 34 BFG's on the 1850 Oliver.

Bias plys are old technology and if you are using your tractors you should be running radials...

Just my 2 cents..... .

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Shane

07-01-2004 22:31:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Shep Va, 07-01-2004 14:11:23

I think that with only about 100 horse that Oliver couldn't even pull anything big enough to spin those tires even without the fluid if they are radials run at the correct pressure. I might suggest losing the fluid and running it for a while. Let those radials do their job!

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Shep Va

07-02-2004 05:21:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Shane, 07-01-2004 22:31:36

Dont bet on that..... That 1850 has a 6BT Cummins diesel turning out about 135 HP and some serious tork. Even with all those weights and the fluid in the tires I can make them spin when the going gets rough.

Actually those tires and the weights that it is carrying is a good match for the power and tork that tractor is putting out, it only spins the tires when pulling hard, and I normally get very little wheel slip in the fields.

Corse that tractor is a little overkill for the haybine, but it sure knocks the hay down in a hurry :-)

Shep's World

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Ron

07-02-2004 04:38:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Shane, 07-01-2004 22:31:36

Shep is quite famous for buying old Olivers with their bulletproof drive trains and repowering them with Cummins TDs. If he could get the traction, he could pull your tractor up a tree.

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buickanddeere

07-01-2004 15:50:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Shep Va, 07-01-2004 14:11:23

Depending on the other uses for the tractor(s), if additional ballast isn't needed it shouldn't be used. Certainly if this Ollie just cuts hay the front cast weight and fluid filled rears. Are just burning extra fuel, extra drive train wear and reducing crop yields due to compaction.

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Shep Va

07-02-2004 05:13:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to buickanddeere, 07-01-2004 15:50:57

I agree, if you are not using your tractors for anything but hay and you have flat land you should only have air in the tires.

If you are actually using your tractor on a farm, that has hills and pulling tillage you have to have weight, and fluid is the best weight you can get. Ever try backing a wagon load of hay up a barn bridge in the rain with a light in the rear tractor?? Almost impossible. So for everyday uses on the farm we put a modest amount of weight on them. That Oliver in the picture is turning out about 135Hp with those radials and tips the scales at about 12,000 pounds with all its weights, and I can still spin the tires in a hard pull.

Shep's World

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buickanddeere

07-02-2004 08:26:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Shep Va, 07-02-2004 05:13:55

Been there. Backing a gravity bin or the hoist wagon up the gangway whith snow/ice on the ground. Put the chains on for those occassions. When sizing loads to tractors it's bets not to try and have a boy do a man's job. Not in a straight line either. Have to back from the side of the gangway,around the silo on the way up to the main doors. Put oak timbers on the barn floor and double planks. Can back the 70,80,2355 or the 4050MFWD with a load of corn the entire length of the barn. Hand clutch on a two cylinder without powersteering can be a trying proceedure.

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Ron

07-01-2004 16:26:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to buickanddeere, 07-01-2004 15:50:57

He farms for a living. He owns more tractors than you do socks. You know absolutely nothing about farming, tractors, or tires except what you read on websites and then copy and paste here. You are embarrassing yourself.

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Shane

07-01-2004 06:10:48

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Re: Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to Ron, 07-01-2004 05:27:15

I beleive that Firestone allows you to only add fluid to 1/4 full, not to the top of the rim like normally. Ideally you should add weight to the axle. And you have to run the correct pressure in radials to make them work right and they will work much much better than bias.

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Adam B.

06-30-2004 21:15:29

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Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to PaMike, 06-30-2004 18:52:24

Radial tires will absolutely give you better performance than bias. You also get a better ride with radials.

However, if the tread on a tire is shot, then it's shot whether it's radial or bias.

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oleblu

06-30-2004 20:40:35

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Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to PaMike, 06-30-2004 18:52:24

Mike, I am in the tire business, so I may be biased (pun intended). Armstrong Tire has a film of 2 identical Ford tractors(150 HP, I think), one with bias ply and one with radials, both pulling the same size chisel plow (seven shank, maybe),same depth, same gear, same RPM, same weighting . Everything was to be the same. The radial tired tractor would beat the bias ply tractor through the field by a good margin due to less slippage. Then they ran the 150 horse bias tractor against a 135 horse radial tractor, again both had the same 7 shank chisel. Radial tractor still outpulled the bias due to less slippage. Then they added 2 more shanks to the 135 horse radial tractor and left the one alone on the 150 horse bias tractor. Guess which one won. The radial. That part of the film would never have been shown if it hadn't. oleblu

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mike

07-01-2004 13:48:22

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Re: Re: 23 Deg Radials in reply to oleblu, 06-30-2004 20:40:35

a few years ago I talked a friend of mine into putting a new set of 20.38 firestone radial all tracs on his 1066. His father nearly blew a nut when he saw the bill. A week later they called and ordered another set for their 1086. to say they were impressed would be an understatement.. I too have a farm service tire truck on the road. In NY

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