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Darald

06-18-2004 05:48:05

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I have been asked to judge the "best original unrestored" class at a show on July 1st. I need some help here? What are the correct points to emphasize, and is there such a thing as a point scoring card? As I see it cosmetics and mechanical will be the main points with sub points under each, but if I use a point system how many points do I give or deduct for a perfect grill vs a dented one, seat cushions, modifications,etc?

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Paul in Mich

06-22-2004 10:12:31

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

Darald, I doubt you are going to get many tractors out of the barn if they are motivated by winning a trophy. I'd say that you can give trophies for lowest serial# of a particular model, highest serial # of a particular model, Who brought the most tractors, Who traveled furthest, oldest tractor, longest continuous ownership, first to register. If you give awards, make it fun, not a test of bills (dollars). Judging on a point system is still very subjective, There are those of us who think the rattiest Farmall is prettier than the shiniest John Deere, and visa versa. YOu can even advertise the fact that every tractor regardless of condition has a chance at winning a prise. Good luck.

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Dick2

06-18-2004 13:01:24

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

There's always the old fallback: Give first prize to the one being shown by the gal with the best bod. Other than that, you're on your own.

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txblu

06-19-2004 05:29:54

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Re: Re: tractor judge in reply to Dick2, 06-18-2004 13:01:24

I thought they only posed with perfectly, perfectly, beautiful (women) cars and trucks that have been meticulously restored by super, super, super artistic craftspersons. How they make that tin look so perfect is amazing to me.

Mark

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Darald

06-18-2004 11:16:24

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

Thanks for the input folks. The sponsoring community want to try to get some tractors out of sheds that folks are not showing because they are not painted, but some good old tractors. I am going to pass on the idea of no judging for reasons you mentioned and to look for something as a small reward for everyone showing.

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Bill Smith

06-18-2004 10:44:12

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

I got pretty discusted at a judging event where I showed a couple of tractors. I was discriminated upon by all three judges because all three of them grew up driving tractors of a different color than the ones I was showing. The one they picked for the best wouldn't even start for demonstration because of a dead battery. This was in a restored class. Put a bad taste in my mouth for showing at a show where there is judging. For "Best Original Unrestored" the scoring should completely revolve around originallity and condition. Deduct points for anything non original. Since it is an unrestored class, you can even deduct points for repainting, new decals, and so on. I would also deduct points for wear and abuse. I would also deduct points for any rebuilding that has been done which will be hard to recognize. Is what you are looking for here is the tractor that is the closest to the way it was when it rolled out of the factory when new without being fixed up. Fixed up enters you into the restored class which should be a seperate class. If the show wants to have judging, I would advise that the participants vote on the various classes and they can not vote for there own tractor. It would also be neat if the general public veiwers could be involved in a couple of votes like for best of show or for best demonstration or something of such. Just my 2 cents.

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Mike M

06-18-2004 10:22:40

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

I am pleased to see an interest in original condition tractors. If more people would have taken better care of them I would not of had to put so much time and money into getting the ones I have back into shape. I do not want any shows to start judgeing as this brings out the high dollar snobs and may prevent others with less to have anything. If the owners of original tractors in great shape and have had them for awhile are still alive and present they could give a talk on how to care for equipment maybe more good would come from this.

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Brian in Ohio

06-18-2004 09:28:49

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

I'm going to concur with the majority here. The best thing for you to do is decline the position. There is nothing more determental to this hobby then "judging", because the end result is "he who has the deepest pockets - wins". I am a second generation collector, and I know that of all the tractors my family and I have collected over the years, not one of them is "Best of Show" quality. And I could care less. I'd much rather see tractors and equipment of that vintage running, and driving, than a bunch of "trailer queens." If you want to give out awards, give them out for the equipment that traveled the farthest to get to your event, or something of that nature. I think the owners would appreciate that much more. Spend your trophy money on participation dash plaques.

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Mike (WA)

06-18-2004 08:17:32

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

If it's "best original unrestored", I would think you would deduct points for any component that is not original, or has been "restored". Obviously, it will not have the original spark plugs, and you would have to allow for replacement parts that are still "stock". Probably deduct for aspects that are in poor condition, like dents, etc.- but not as much of a deduction as for restoration or unoriginal parts. IMHO. But I agree with the others that judging is generally a bad idea. Probably the most successful automotive club around is the Hudson Essex Terraplane Club (judging by the number of hits in its forum on the Classic Cars board), and one of its paramount rules from the beginning in 1959 is "no judging" at any of its functions. You see Hudsons ranging from barely running originals to 100 point restorations at their meets, and everyone seems to have a good time looking at the full range.

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Ron

06-18-2004 06:58:57

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

Please don't be offended but if you have to ask you probably should decline.

The organization holding the event should have judging rules. Usually, the judges are people who have like-kind tractors and know what to look for. It's an old-fashioned way of passing down knowledge from one generation to the next. But it's not without its problems as it gets to be a "good old boy" deal pretty quickly. And there are some very specific details that even many owners of exactly the same tractor simply haven't been exposed to. For example, my model tractor came with a certain seat. An optional and expensive seat was also offered. Almost nobody bought one, except me. So I'm often asked where I got the aftermarket seat from. I then have to drag out the parts manual and prove to them that it really came from the factory.

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Will

06-18-2004 06:39:09

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

TRACTORS SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED. Yes, I am shouting. For original ones no one can possiblby know how all the brands were originally. For restored ones the same applies with the added fact that the guy with the most money to spend on a restoration gets all the prises. Judging discourages the young guys just getting started in the hobby. It will kill a show. I too will not display at a show where there is judging.

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txblu

06-18-2004 07:05:50

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Re: Re: tractor judge in reply to Will, 06-18-2004 06:39:09

Very good point about the guy with the $$$ will be able to afford the best of everything.

Took my dog to a dog show one time as a young teen. Dog had a leg amputated due to an accident.

Heinz 57 so didn't win any blue ribbons, but did get a prize for it making do with what it had. (baseball bat and ball)

Maybe that is the criteria; who makes do with what they have or something.

Actually, why go to a show at all? What are you looking for? Is it diversity of iron, or is it to see what others have done with (to) theirs?

I would think it would be to see things the way they were originally. But as you said, money talks, so what's the point. Besides, if there were no prizes and judging, they would still be bragging and all that comes naturally to us.

So much for that.

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rustyfarmall

06-18-2004 06:26:39

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

No offense meant to anyone here, but I will not take any of my tractors to a show where they will be judged. In my humble opinion, bringing home a trophy or other prize is not what this old tractor hobby is about.

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txblu

06-18-2004 06:04:15

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Re: tractor judge in reply to Darald, 06-18-2004 05:48:05

My opinion.

A tractor show is to display original condition for an antique.(period).

Anything that takes away from that is a whack!

Modifications like an added dash switch, conversion to alternator, lights and all that weren't factory original are no-no's

Sheet metal I would think is different. If it has been restored to like new condition, it gets points; doesn't matter that there is a gallon of Bondo under the hood paint.

Mechanical aspects should get added marks if they work like new. But, if you have a 40 year old tractor that has never had a wrench to the engine sitting there puffing blue smoke out the pipe, I wouldn't ding it just because next to it is one that had a complete engine overhaul and it doesn't smoke. Probably a personal opinion there; do you give the owner credit for mechanical restoration, or do you credit the "find" of a tractor that has survived without it? Hard call for me. Everybody can't go out and find a relic, but lots of folks put a lot of sweat and $$$ into the rebuild.

My 2c

Mark

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