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rustyfarmall

06-14-2004 15:33:57




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2001 chevy dually, went into the shop today to have a tie rod replaced. This truck is less than 3 years old and has under 29,000 miles. It will be 2 days before the new tie rod is in, had to order it. Now I have to borrow a truck for that road trip I need to make tomorrow. I am not a happy camper. Yes, everything has been greased according to the recommendations in the manual.




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cowman2

06-15-2004 15:03:22




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
New Dodge with less than 7000 miles, I was traveling on I 75 pulling my gooseneck with a tractor near London Ky. and the tie rod end fell off the rt front wheel, quite a ride. The dealer wasn't too concerned and I got no satisfaction from Dodge only it was a dealer problem. No key to hold nut in place. I should have had some closuer but got none.



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glenshoe

06-15-2004 07:34:58




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
I read all of these truck-related messages with keen interest as I will shortly be looking for a replacement truck and am dismayed at my choices. I currently have a '95 Dodge Ram 1500 4X4 w/ 175k miles (360 magnum gas w/ automatic). Had to rebuild the tranny at 117k but has done well ever since. Otherwise, the truck has been great. I need a heavier package for towing and hauling so will be looking for a clean used 3500 dually w/ the older cummins diesel and an automatic--planning on a tranny rebuild when necessary. I know some people prefer the manual transmission but my knees are shot and it sure is nice towing long distance w/ the cruise control. Any additional thoughts pro or con on this route?

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rustyfarmall

06-15-2004 16:37:51




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to glenshoe, 06-15-2004 07:34:58  
Cruise control is available with a manual also, I would not be without it.



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

06-15-2004 10:54:41




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to glenshoe, 06-15-2004 07:34:58  
I don't do a whole lot of long distance hauling, but I've got a '95 3500, with the 5 speed manual transmission and the Cummins Turbo Diesel. Ain't much of a chance of me getting rid of it.

There's over 150,000 miles on it, now, and I've had NO major problems (the water pump went once, but that was the EASIEST water pump replacement I've EVER done!!).

Like thurlow said... cruise control is available for manuals as well (I've got it on mine).

Steve

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thurlow

06-15-2004 08:41:25




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to glenshoe, 06-15-2004 07:34:58  
Not knocking anything else you're saying, but you can get (and it works fine) cruise control with a manual transmission.....unless you're gonna be pulling in conditions that require lots of shifting.....



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Robert

06-15-2004 06:30:28




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
I've had pretty good luck with all of the GM products I've owned over the yers, from cars to pick ups, so I may be the exception, instead of the rule. Mileage doesn't always mean as much as conditions under which those miles were driven. For example, 29,000 miles across pstures isn't the same as highway miles. I'm not saying that's the case here, just a consideration.



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rustyfarmall

06-15-2004 16:39:41




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to Robert, 06-15-2004 06:30:28  
Mine are all highway miles.



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Vern-MI

06-15-2004 04:23:35




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
2002 F250, Superduty, 4x4 with 5.4 liter and 4R100 transmission now has 70,000 miles and just had its first set of tires. No problems with anything on the truck. It has to be shut off when filling the gas or the engine will use it faster than I can pump it in.



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Randy Varilek

06-14-2004 22:52:32




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
I have a 90 ford 7.3 diesel. As far as I'm concerned, the 7.3 IH is a good motor, it's all the stuff that ford bolted around it that is the problem. My brother in law has a 2001 powerstroke that has 40000 on it nad ahs been in the shop 5 times since he got it. His boss had a 2003 duramax with a 5 speed and 36000 and he is on his 3rd engine. duramaxes are noted for breaking cranks with a stickshift. Also they have problems shutting down under a long hard pull. I have a 79 dodge power wagon that was an old military pickup that I use around the farm that has 321000 on it on the original motor and trans. the poor old truck is falling apart but it just won't die. Have gotten it hot several times and even run it out of oil once an i just can't kill it. I keep telling my wife that when it dies is will park it in the trees and find something else. She has been waiting patiently for 5 years now. Let's face it, I just don't think it's going to get any better. Have a neighbor who restored a 79 ford F-350 extended cab and put a 5.9 cummings from a salvage yard in it with a truck 5 speed. He has about 14000 in it and just loves it. I really belive that is the only choice anymore.

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DL

06-15-2004 19:42:16




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to Randy Varilek, 06-14-2004 22:52:32  
2000 F550 4x4 7.3l 'stroke... just turned 52k... had in the shop at least 16 - 17 times... for OIL CHANGES! ...oh yeah, there was the RECALL... the machine that installed the VALVE STEMS (at the factory) in the wheels went haywire, I had one stem that went bad, no tire damage though... Ford paid to have all the stems replaced at the garage of my choice! BEST TRUCK I'VE EVER OWNED!!!!! !



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RJ-AZ

06-14-2004 21:25:22




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
My old 84' Dodge 4x4 Ram 50 with 220K miles just keeps on running. My friends ask me when I am going to get a new truck and I say "When they start building something decent again"



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Mark Krzyzanowski - IN.

06-14-2004 19:58:12




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
Like my 01' Cummins Dodge, sure do hate that Chrysler automatic behind it - rebuilt at about 40K. Heard nothing but good about that Allison behind that Duramax. Now if Dodge just would've shoe-horned that thing in between the Cummins and the Dana's before dumping them for Korean made axles. Backwards, backwards, backwards if you ask me, which you didn't.



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Apollo

06-14-2004 19:25:57




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
There are two words that are the problem--Gee Emm. Go get a real truck.



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steve450

06-14-2004 19:02:05




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
Friend of mine has a 2001 blazer. It has about 60000 on it and is on it's 3rd set of ball joints and tie rod ends. I'm a ford man myself :)



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mike

06-14-2004 19:41:24




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to steve450, 06-14-2004 19:02:05  
The duramax has a bigger market share than the
Dodge Cummins,ford has the 6.0 motors on hold,
already bought back thousands under the Lemon
law.Ford and international have a 74 million
dollar law suit in progress over this motor.
The steering is just a minor thing to fix.I can show you Duramax's with 300000 on the steering linkage.I just got a letter from GM
extending the injector warrany to 200000 mile.
A couple years ago you couldn't give me a GM
truck either,but so far my Duramax is very
impressive.

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Ron

06-14-2004 18:52:50




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
Saw and article in the paper a couple of months ago. GM stated that their marketing research told them that 40% of all Americans refuse to even consider any GM product when making a purchase due to the horrible reliability problems in the last 8 years. So GM instituted an new marketing plan to get these people back. They introduced a new line of cars and trucks, and then promptly had the largest recall in automotive history. GM, once the largest automotive company on earth is now the joke of the industry.

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Ron

06-14-2004 18:48:53




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
Saw and article in the paper a couple of months ago. GM stated that their marketing research told them that 40% of all Americans refuse to even consider any GM product when making a purchase due to the horrible reliability problems in the last 8 years. So GM instituted an new marketing plan to get these people back. They introduced a new line of cars and trucks, and then promptly had the largest recall in automotive history. GM, once the largest automotive company on earth is now the joke of the industry.

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orphan_tractor

06-15-2004 16:31:14




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to Ron, 06-14-2004 18:48:53  
"Ford will replace ignition switches on up to 8.7 million 1988-'93 model vehicles in the U.S. after a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration investigation into 816 reports of fires caused by a short circuit. It is NHTSA's largest recall applying to one automaker, surpassing General Motors Corp.'s 1971 reall to repair faulty engine mounts on 6.7 million vehicles." This is quoted from www.wardsauto.com Where did you find your information? I have put over 200,000 miles on four different GM vehicles, including a 1986 Buick Century Wagon, a 1989 Chevy 3/4 ton van, a 1989 Pontiac Bonneville SSE, and a 1991 Buick Lesabre. I also have an inherited 1991 Ford van that has held up well to 85,000 miles.

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Hugh MacKay

06-14-2004 18:02:46




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
Rusty: Kind of makes you wonder how some of those old Chevy's out of the 70's and 80's managed to go 300,000 miles with most front end parts original. Progress has been grand.



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rustyfarmall

06-14-2004 18:29:07




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-14-2004 18:02:46  
Those Chevys from the 70s and 80s were built out of parts that were manufactured by people who knew how to do it, and cared enough to make it right the first time. Today those same parts are built by the lowest bidder, either in Mexico, or in China.



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Russ

06-14-2004 21:14:35




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 18:29:07  
I totally agree Farmall, I have a 1977 Chev Heavy Half and it has 220,000 miles in it, nothing has been changed except maintenance items (brakes, exhaust, filters, tires, etc.) It still runs and drives as good as it was new. It is a one owner unit that has been looked after well, this thing just seems to wanna run forever!

As the old saying goes: They don't build 'em like they used to

Russ

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GG

06-14-2004 16:03:49




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 Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 15:33:57  
Makes you wonder what happened when you hear about an auto accident that was caused by "loosing control"



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txblu

06-15-2004 07:57:07




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to GG, 06-14-2004 16:03:49  
If you knew how little is keeping a front wheel drive automobile in it's lane it would scare the pants off you.

When the tie rod becomes disengaged, the drive tire on the drivers side has traction, but nothing to keep it aligned fore and aft. The normal action-reaction result is the rear of the tire jams into the frame. Guess where the front of the tire is pointed.

So when you see black skid marks from the right hand lane, clear across the left lane,and thru the median on a straight stretch of road with nothing around you don't have to guess. A rack and pinion steering system failed.

Almost happened to my wife. She was backing out of the driveway to go on a trip and it failed at the end of the driveway, not 15 minutes later at 70 mph on the highway. That is scary (got goose bumps talking about it).

Mark

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rustyfarmall

06-14-2004 16:12:13




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 Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to GG, 06-14-2004 16:03:49  
I am just thankful that I discovered the problem before anything like that happened.



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Tommy D6-8U

06-15-2004 17:53:27




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. new trucks breaking down in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-14-2004 16:12:13  
I used to be the supervisor of maintenance over a fleet of light trucks, mainly GM but some Fords and I honestly don't think either had a major advantage. I always had Fords until 1992 when I bought a new D-250 with the Cummins. What I did see was a lot (or more than I would expect) of chassis parts (tie rods, ball joints, idler arms, etc.) failing on the GMs prematurely. (Just for fun, go to a GM dealer and see if they will tell you how many idler arms they have in stock for mid nineties 1500/2500 trucks!)We almost always replaced those parts with the HD chassis parts from NAPA and the problems were usually solved. The cheap NAPA parts are about equivalent to OEM quality and everybody uses them. Unless you ask for the good stuff in the aftermarket, you're usually going to get the cheap stuff. My opinion is it just ain't worth the risk plus the costs of multiple repairs. Just a bit of advice. When a suspension part fails, especially ball joints and control arm bushings, be sure to inspect the shocks for proper operation. They too are poor quality from the OEMs and good aftermarket ones will make a big difference in how the suspension reacts to loads and suspension movement. Another thing to check is ride height which is usually affected by weak springs. Don't assume this stuff is right.
BTW, my old Dodge now has 210,000 on it and the only part on the engine that has been replaced is the fuel lift pump. The truck itself has had some work done but nothing I would call unusual. I don't want to buy a new diesel of any kind because they have turned the screws so much on these new engines trying to win the HP race, I think they are less reliable (along with transmissions) Just my opinion.

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