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Longest runnung Production tractor design.

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Don Wadge

06-01-2004 21:33:19

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I'd just like to get some comments on this. The Model D John Deere gets credit for being the longest production run of any model and I don't argue that since it was sold under the same model designation for 30 years. However, we all know that the Model 'D' changed substantially from 1924 to 1953 and the later tractors were hardly comparable to the earlier ones. I'll allow that the basic design in terms of engine and drive train carried throughout.
Now I present to you the IHC Farmall 'A' of 1939. While this design carried various desinations as to model, it was produced from 1939 until the late 70's or early 80's- a substantially longer production run than the model 'D'. Further, in fact, there was far more similarity between the Farmall A of 1939 and the last production of this design by IHC in the late 70's or early 80's. I must apologize in that I do not know the exact last year of production or the model designation this design carried at the end. I'm sure someone here can contribute that information. In my mind this is the longest running production tractor. Just wondering what others comments will be

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JK-NY

06-03-2004 14:27:06

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Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Don Wadge, 06-01-2004 21:33:19

I just checked-Cubs were built till 1979, 140 till 1981. The 140 was the last in the "A" line-A,Super A,100,130 140. (This would actually be 5 models)

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JK-NY

06-03-2004 14:20:36

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Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Don Wadge, 06-01-2004 21:33:19

I would also mention the Farmall Cub 1947 to 1976 or77 ?? except for sheet metal change, paint color change and optional 1 pt. fast hitch, same unit all the way from beginning to end-

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Thomas

06-02-2004 10:06:34

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Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Don Wadge, 06-01-2004 21:33:19

I think that the Massey DX (Detroit Experimental)driveline based machines must be up there with the longest. They were introduced in Coventry in 1956 when a great deal of money was invested in transfer lines to gear the factory for mass production. These same lines were in use making fundamentally the same gearboxes up until last year when AGCO decided that they knew best. I saw the lines being cut up with an oxygen lance a few weeks ago, when buying some kit from the factory, which was very upsetting. By my reconning the basic driveline was used from the 35, 65 etc through 100, 200, 500, 600, 4200 and 4300 series tractors. But it doesn't stop there because it is still in use both by licencees in countries such as Turkey adn India, and also in Brazilian MF Tractors. I recon that's the same machine, although improved over the years, built for 48 years and counting.

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jdemaris

06-02-2004 06:05:59

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Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Don Wadge, 06-01-2004 21:33:19

The International Harvester B-275, which first came out ca. 1959 is still being produced. It was originally built from a joint-venture between I.H. and Mahindra Company. Now, Mahindra sells it under their own name. It has been repowered with a direct-injected engine, but the main tractor is basically the same. I was told that 85% of the original parts are still used. The same sort of story may be true for other tractors where some third-world company takes over production of a proven design. In this case, though, the 1959 tractor is still being produced by the original manufacturer.

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06-01-2004 22:55:03

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Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Don Wadge, 06-01-2004 21:33:19

Your take on this subject is interesting. I have always grouped all the 2cyl Deeres in the same design class. This would make that run from '24 to '60. Deere's next design was the 3010/4010 ran until the mid Nineties Both runs of about 35 years.

One may say that there is a lot of difference between a D and a 830 but when you strip away all the sheet metal and only compare these tractors in 5 year jumps it is the same design just had things added as market demanded. A little know fact (at least to me) Deere made the 2 Cyls into the mid '70s. I was going through a dealership in eastern IA earlier in May and saw a 730 some guys were putting tires on. Didn't think much about it until I looked at the right side. The tractor had a foot clutch. I am sure there are many other differences. Talked to the owner he said in '60 Deere sent the patterns and tooling to Argentina and they made the 2cyls there until the mid '70s.

Will be interesting to see what others have to say.

JM2CW

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Paul in Mich

06-01-2004 22:02:20

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Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Don Wadge, 06-01-2004 21:33:19

Don, The Farmall A design, other than increased horse power only made one major significant change, that being the addition of the touch control hydraulic system from the A beginning in 1939-1947, Super A from 1947-1954, 100 from 1954-1956, 130 from 1956-1958, and 140 from 1958-1975. That was a total of 37 years of the same basic design. It is also true that the John Deere D changed much more during its production run, but a long run nevertheless. My personal opinion and the opinion of many others is that the Farmall A and its successors was one of the most perfectly engineered tractors, not only in its own time, but for all time. The design really never did bcome obsolete, as nothing has satisfactorly replaced it. Its value in garden crops and tobacco fields is unprecedented.

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txblu

06-02-2004 05:54:21

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Re: Re: Longest runnung Production tractor design. in reply to Paul in Mich, 06-01-2004 22:02:20

I had the opportunity recently to see an 85 year old man and his now deceased brother's Deere work a garden into a piece of artwork. The deer was an early model, built during the war, tricycle front end, with planters and cultivators. This guy doesn't get in a hurry and meticulously did his thing. Today the crop is up a foot or so, neat and even.

I had a Farmall B one time (my first tractor) and said that if I were to use it for cultivation, I would have to have more than one tractor as once I got all that stuff mounted, it wasn't coming off.

Mark

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