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Gary in TX

05-24-2004 22:09:23




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Gas out days on the first and third mondays of the month. No one buy gas these days, maybe it will help and ease the burdun that these high gas prices are causing. Couldn't hurt!!!!!
Pass it on to everyone!




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JC

05-26-2004 08:36:45




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
Back when I started driving in the early 1980's, gas was a little over a dollar a gallon on average. If it got up to 1.30 or 1.40, it was starting to get high. Adjust 1.00 for inflation at 3% per year since that time and you come up with 2.09 a gallon. Everyone seems to think that gas should be a dollar a gallon for all eternity. Seems like it is still a dollar a gallon in 1980 dollars. Ha!

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Gary in TX

05-26-2004 07:22:47




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
Hey guys,
Maybe its a bad idea, maybe not? If an oil company didn't have income from 2 days a month with as much gas that is bought, to me, it looks like it would make a difference? For those that think I am meaning to just park everything, I"m not. Is it a national ritual that everyone buy gas everyday. I personally don't buy gas everyday. Pump in a few gallons the day before, enough to make sure you will have it if you need it on gas out days. I read the one post that says there is too much wealth here in this country. There are more people right now that are hurting from this than they are wealthy. I'll tell ya something else too, the urbanising of rural america too me is one cause of part of our trouble. People wanting to move out to the country and then drive say 50 to 60 miles a day to work when they were driving 10 to 20 before. I see too much of that going on just west of us here and it breaks the heart to see good farm land chopped up and developed. I'm not blaming anyone in particular but its going to be real hard to grow crops to feed people in concrete.

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Paul in mich

05-26-2004 20:48:18




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 07:22:47  
Gary, I wont respond to much of your post as Bo has responded and I really have nothing to add to his response. However you do make a statement that I have trouble with, and thats the issue of farmland being chopped up and sold off for residential use. First of all, who is anyone to say that someone owning framland is not to be allowed to sell any or part of it? When growing crops mean one profitable year in ten, it is almost incumbent upon the farmer to make as much money as he can for he and his family, and that may include selling off road frontage. I hear this argument from a lot of people, but when faced with the possibility of making a profit by selling off some land, most farmers take advantage of the opportunity. Secondly, as to running out of farmland and trying to grow on concrete, that is not going to happen for a long long time. Not as long as I can go down the road and see 10% of our farmland in soil bank programs. We tax payers (including farmers) are paying farmers not to grow crops. Think how many mouths can be fed with the yield of an additional 10% from our wasted land. Finally, we are developing higher yielding hybred seed all the time, thereby realizing more yield per acre, and if acreage does become an issue, you will see more and more hydroponics. Heck, if it can work for "weed", it can certainly work for other "cash crops".

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Jim from Pa

05-26-2004 12:37:08




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 07:22:47  
Gary sounds to me like you just think the oils companys are screwing you.Most people don't like paying $3.50 a gallon for milk, but I don't hear anyone saying hey lets put the screws to the farmers or how about the grocers. I just doesn't make sense. They provide a product at the price the market will bear and its your choice how much of it you want to buy if any. Go become an Amish and you won't have such worries.

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Gary in TX

05-26-2004 20:43:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jim from Pa, 05-26-2004 12:37:08  
Hey guys,
Just forget I even said anything about it in the first place. I was simply hoping to help us all by making a suggestion. Yes we are all getting screwed by just about everyone! Everything is going up except wages. Sorry I even brought it up. Hope everyone has a great day!



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Paul in Mich

05-26-2004 21:00:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 20:43:18  
Gary, Its always good to debate. It stimulates us into either questioning our point of view, or standing up for it passionately. Either way, it allows more than one point of view to be voiced, and afterall, isn't that what freedom of speech and expression is all about? You have absolutely no reason to apologize for evoking our passions. Personally, I say thanks..... .I may not always agree with you, but Darned, we can sure have some interesting debates.

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Gary in TX

05-26-2004 21:07:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-26-2004 21:00:00  
Hey Paul,
Thanks for what you said! I appreciate it! My original thoughts on the subject have not changed but I do have some doubts about it too. Something has to be done as there are many out here who are not making a huge income and these high prices on everything are hurting many. I know it kinda depends on location and all but I think if we did a poll we would find a higher percentage of people hurting financially than not.

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Paul in Mich

05-26-2004 21:52:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 21:07:22  
Gary, I agree that there are a lot of financially strapped people out there today. While none of us really like the idea that we may never see gasolene below $2.00 again, I don't think that the price of gasolene is what is causing financial stress. I believe that credit card debt and $200,000 mortgages have more effect on the financial well being than what they are paying for fuel. Our parents never allowed themselves to create the indebtedness that people of today are getting themselves into. The interest alone on credit card debt is enough to choke a horse, yet they go on charging and charging and charging. It isn't all on necessities either, its on designer jeans, carribean vacations, snow mobiles, motorcycles, boats, tv's in every room, cell phones for the entire family, and everything else that folks swear they cant do without. My Dear departed Dad used to tell us that "it isnt the cost of living that creates financial problems, it's the cost of "high living". It is true that many people have taken advantage of low interest mortgage rates, but so many of them did not use them to reduce their debt, they used them to buy these hugh houses with 3 car garages, 3 bathrooms, 5 bedrooms, wet bars, and anything else that they think will give them and edge on their neighbor. There is absolutely nothing wrong with owning a house like that if you can afford it, but I see a problem when the same people carp about the cost of gasolene while thay continue to literally "drive themselves" into bankruptcy. I feel lucky that I feel no need to get into that rat race. It bothers me not one bit to ride in a 10 yr old car, live in a 30 yr old house, and have to share a tv set with someone else and not be able to answer the question," what is your cell phone number"? I'm sure that high gasolene prices hurt some people on fixed incomes, but then maybe some of those same people will have to beg out of this months bus trip to the casino.

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Gary in TX

05-27-2004 06:36:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-26-2004 21:52:17  
Hey Paul,
You do have some real good points and I agree with ya! People are trying to live way high above their raising. These people driving these dang hummers and high school kids driving new sports cars are one of my pet pieves. I'll admiit I do have some things I could probably do without and will probably be wiening some of them out in the next several months.
Anyhow, good points!
Gary

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bo

05-26-2004 11:30:23




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 07:22:47  
Won't work Gary and not worth a "try". I'd need to explain the economics of the oil/gas industry and that would take a lot of explaining. I'm also the one who said that their is too much wealth in this country for people to do more than just complain and I stand by that. Less people are hurting than you think. Again, too explain that requires huge lessons in economic demography. As for the chopping up of farm land. For every buyer there must be a seller. Guess who is selling? Free country..you got the bucks and are a willing buyer and he/she wants to sell the old homestead and is willing, who is to say that that is wrong. Freedom of transaction.

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Gary in TX

05-26-2004 11:44:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-26-2004 11:30:23  
Hey Bo,
What do you do for a living? Its obvious that you do not farm or have anything to do with the agriculture industry at all from your reply. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bust your chops. Maybe in your neck of the woods people are not hurting but here these prices are hurting.
Bet your a college grad ain't ya? It don't take a slide rule to know that if a company don't make sales something has got to give or else they go under, I don't need a college degree to tell me that. Look back at the airlines after 9/11! Got a question for ya, do you like paying almost 2 bucks a gallon for gas or would you rather pay a buck thirty or so and keep some $$$ in your pocket?

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bo

05-26-2004 13:59:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 11:44:04  
Yeh, I'm a college boy and have a bunch of schooling and you're still wrong but you are persistant I'll give you that. You can't dispute anything I say because deep down you know I tell the truth.

As far as being a dirt farmer...I was born on a farm, I picked strawberries at 8 and drove a pickup and tractor before I could reach the peddles. Don't tell me about farmers because that crap runs in my veins.

You're correct, I'm a college boy but this college boy can run any piece of equipment you care to mention including Rome plows which you don't even know exist. I've personally built two houses which makes me a college boy, carpenter, plumber, electrician,welder and still have the ability to think things through logically.

Ok, I shouldn't bust your chops either and I do admire your persistance but I'll tell you Gary..you're wrong and as much as hurts you, no one can make you right. This world is evolving rapidly and there's not a damn thing that you nor I can do about it.

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bo

05-26-2004 14:10:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-26-2004 13:59:57  
You know, it's hard to completely answer questions when half of them are forgotten. Do I like paying $2/gal for fuel. Stupid question, don't you think? I rather get it for nothing if I could.

Company don't make sales they'll lower prices..generally you're correct except..if the product is a necessity...like insulin for diabetics...you need it or die therefore you'll pay. Gas...what am going to use? A horse? Heck, even in Tx, horses won't work. Been to Dallas, Corpus, Gun Barrel City, Houston, Amarillo and other places and guess what...freaking cars all over the places....how are they going to do without gas? Think.

I don't know agriculture...I think I addressed that already. Plowing,disking, harrowing, seeding...oh please..Hanging hogs for Fall slaughter...yes, college,,,but farming? You could starve to death being a small farmer as you well know and I like pizza and wings now and then along with a Michalob.

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Gary in TX

05-26-2004 15:27:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-26-2004 14:10:01  
Well Bo,
Its obvious that we are going to share different view on the gas out topic but thats cool. I really do hope you did not take any offense cause I don't. You would get the same type discussion from those who like GM better than Ford. Which I have owned 2 Fords and they were the worst buys I ever made. My GMC's and Chevrolets have never really let me down.
I was really glad to hear that you have some farm background. Have a great day!
Gary

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bo

05-26-2004 16:10:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 15:27:55  
The college boy buys the first round. Ok?



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Gary in TX

05-26-2004 20:38:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-26-2004 16:10:29  
Deal, where do ya wanna meet! :o)



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bo

05-27-2004 04:09:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-26-2004 20:38:56  
Hog's Breath Saloon, Houston. Biker bar, wear your leathers.



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JDknut

05-26-2004 04:11:03




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
Nice idea but it is really a myth unless we are ready to stop going to work and other activities that use gas. it is the ultimate amount we use not just when we buy it that counts. Part of the problem is every teenage kid these days has a car and uses it all the time and their yup parents drive big SUV's. Overseas the gas is $5 a gallon, of course they have alternatives and we don't (public transportation, etc). When gas gets high enough here, there will be alternatives such as ethanol, vegetable oil diesel (this will help the farmers, too) 100 MPG carburetors and other alternatives that the oil companies have bought out and are sitting on now, but if gas goes high enough they will have to trot them out. We can make gas from coal and we will once it goes high enough and the tree-huggers Volvo's gas tanks are on empty. Just a few thoughts of my $0.03.

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RayP(MI)

05-25-2004 17:12:47




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
We cut all unnecessary driving back when gas went up to $1.50, Now what am I to do?



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Paul in Mich

05-25-2004 18:46:54




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Ray, A deck of cards and a Cribbage board will keep you and the Missus occupied at home for hours on end..... .....ho....hum.



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bo

05-25-2004 17:15:57




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paul

05-25-2004 09:56:55




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
How about checking tire air pressure those days, & walking somewhere one of those days instead of driving?

Proper air pressure will conserve fuel, and saving one startup will save fuel. This will _actually_ do something, as opposed to increasing gas sales the rest of the week on your plan.

My idea, less fuel bought, price goes down. Your plan, same gallons sold, companies laugh at you.

--->Paul

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bo

05-25-2004 17:21:23




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to paul, 05-25-2004 09:56:55  
Won't come down if demand drops. First, demand won't drop enough. Too much wealth in this country. Secondly, gas is priced on a cost plus basis and not on a competitive basis. It competes with nothing. So..if it's not a competitive, substitutable product and demand won't drop appreciably, prices stay up or stay constant.

Only saving grace is that Saudi Arabia has decided to boost production of oil by 2 million gals/day and that might, might have a depressing pressure on gas.

You also need to factor in the international demand for oil, in particular, China. They're a developing economy and are presently becoming one of the biggest importers of oil. When that country with one billion people get fired up and they all get roads and cars..$2/gal will seem like a major bargain.

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Jim from Pa

05-26-2004 07:07:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-25-2004 17:21:23  
Bo, Back in the 70's after the Arab oil embargo, world demand for petroleum decreased due to skyrocketing prices. We here in the USA sought more fuel efficient vehicles to replace our guzzlers(remember the 8mpg big blocks of the 60's). After demand fell OPEC had to increase production to maintain profits. We are not the only country suffering from high fuel prices.As for China, you can bet that only a few of their 1.2 billion people will be driving around enjoying the open road (you can't buy much on 25 cents an hour and with a never ending supply of cheap labor things won't change much for many of the people over there. Most people her in the USA can't think past today and can't remember before this morning. We became a leaner nation in the 80's (fuel efficient vehicles and alternative electicity generation), that coupled with OPEC increasing production to keep profits up gave us the lowest fuel prices since the 60's adjusted for inflation. Now you see more people driving 14 mpg trucks and SUV's (myself included), with little concern for conserving. We have 5 times more economicaly recoverable coal in this country than the world has oil, but we won't use it because we feel Mother Earth just can't take it. We have in Alaska more oil reserves than the lower 48 combined, but we can't touch it because the enviormentlist are afraid a moose might trip on the pipelines. I cant tell you how many people I have heard say we should not spoil Alaska's pristine beauty. I would bet that 1% of the population never make it up to see the state that is nearly 3 times the size of Texas,let alone venture that far away from the cities. Heck it's not like they are going to junk up the whole state, and the people up there wan't it. We could go back to using trains for moving goods over long distances instead of trucks that get 4 miles per gallon, but we can't plan past this afternoon and want everything this minute. These high fuel prices will make us change the way we do things,but unless we break the cycle and continue to be more conservative and less dependent on foriegn sources we will end up right where we are today.

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bo

05-26-2004 07:24:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jim from Pa, 05-26-2004 07:07:57  
Jim...can't disagree with what you say except.....China...read my words ...when they get it together, watch out. They are getting it together and wealth is increasing. Japan used to be a low wage nation and they have evolved and so will China. Presently, they are well onto the road to economic success. Today..they're soaking up oil in huge bunches and it'll get worse in the ensueing years.



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Jim from Pa

05-26-2004 09:25:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-26-2004 07:24:03  
Bo with 1.2 billion people I dought all but a few will rise above poverty. Such a large amount of unemployed people will keep wages down.



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bo

05-26-2004 11:36:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jim from Pa, 05-26-2004 09:25:38  
Would love to agree with you Jim but the facts are against your arguement. I won't take all 1.2 billion to rise up in wealth..A third or 400million will do it. That's more than the US has now. Tell you what, check out China's economic miracle well in process. As we speak..they are soaking up a good chunk of the world's oil supply and they'll soak up more. Just where do you think all that scrap steel goes that the boys on this board were taking to the junk yards and getting the best buck ever seen? This will break your heart. Old tractors are getting trash for scrap by the hundreds and they'll come back as Farmall bench vises only painted black. Nope..China is big time.

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Jim from Pa

05-26-2004 12:27:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-26-2004 11:36:01  
Bo As an owner of a manufacturing facility I have seen the effects of China and I agree that they will
continue to expand with USA as the largest purchaser of their cheap labor. The cost of this to us will ultimately
lead to a lower standard of living here in the USA as our jobs decrease. It started with manufacturing and now
programers and computer tech. support. They even send our Xrays to India to be read in much of the US. As I said before we as a whole don't reason things out we react. At some point (only by suffering a lower standard of living), we will recognize the damage we are doing to our own economic well being and demand products and
services that utilize our own labor. Also unlike Japan, China is a Communist State and their government owns most of
the enterprises. In 1999 China had a workforce of some 750 million people with an average annual wage of $750.00 compared
to Japan's average yearly wage of $34,340.00. Under Communist suppression these people will never do any better than
they are now.

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bo

05-26-2004 14:30:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jim from Pa, 05-26-2004 12:27:26  
Jim..you're correct and you're wrong at the same time. China is truly a communist state but its Government is blending elements of Capitalism into the mix. It's working very well. There is substantial investment in private enterprise and wealth is flourishing. True, the majority of Chinese still are poor and still do work for the state but that's changing. If the rate of change continues, then China will be a dramatic economic power shortly.

China wasn't a player as a world economy 20 years ago. I don't think it was much of a player 15 years ago. It is just recently that we are all talking about China..ask yourself...how the heck did they hit the world market in such a short time frame that we're all talking about them? If that rate of growth continues or exponentially increases...what is China going to be in another 15 years? That's a blink of an eye as you know.

As for Japan..Japan was destroyed in the 40s, in the 50's they made absolute junk like China does now...well, much of their stuff is junk. In the 60s, Japan is still low wage and produces junk..in the 70s ,they are a high quality producer and are taking over the US...remember? In the 80s same thing, Japan this and that. We are all scared. In the 90s, they are now highly developed and their wage struture moves way up and they are no longer a low wage nation. Now it's China. What will happen in China in another 15 years? Will they become a huge oil suck? They are now.

As for our loss of jobs.. I know, I worry about that two..you mention outsourcing of xray films..try outsourcing of medical/legal transcription and ...and...your tax returns which you might think your local accountant does.. he just might be one of them who emails them to Bangalore to be done and emailed back.

Later...I gotta go eat.

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Slowpoke

05-28-2004 01:52:23




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jim from Pa, 05-25-2004 09:39:37  
Well, at 2¢ per gallon, a station selling 100,000 gallons per month will gross $2000. Do you think they can pay rent, labor, maintenance and profit on that amount? Rent alone paid to some of the big oil companies runs $4000-$6000/month here on the west coast.
And I think that boycotting one big company nationwide would have some effect. Not just one day, either, but weeks or months. Pick one.

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Gary in TX

05-25-2004 21:44:55




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Hey Jim,
Do you buy gas everyday? I doubt that everyone in the country buys gas everyday. Anything is worth a try, couldn't hurt!



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bo

05-26-2004 07:25:52




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Gary..won't work. Not worth the bandwidth to type a gas boycot.



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Paul in Mich

05-25-2004 11:31:44




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Jim, AMEN!!!!! !!!!!



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Steve from TN

05-25-2004 08:52:32




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
Gary, we sure need to do something. I wonder if we all cut down on the unnecessary trips and carpooled if that wouldn't help out. I know it would help my expenses. My wife and I work in the same town but drive to work separately. We could at least ride to work together two or three days out of the week. Another thing that I am doing is keeping my lead foot off the accelerator and using my cruse control. I believe that is helping some. We need to check our tires and make sure the inflation is right. Under-inflated tires will tear up your gas mileage. We all need to work together on this. I think if the whole country would cut back, the prices would at least slow down on the way up.

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Chris Brown

05-25-2004 08:27:39




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
That's dumb! What the heck's the difference if you buy gas on monday or tuesday,they still get the same amount of money either way. You'd have to not use gas on a certain day to be a burden on the oil companies. With your suggestion,try averaging out gas purchases all week and it will be the same either way.



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Gary in TX

05-25-2004 09:30:33




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Chris Brown, 05-25-2004 08:27:39  
Sure ripped the airline industry a new one after 9/11 when the planes were grounded! Stop and think about how much money that would be in a days time if noone bought gas that day. Do you buy gas everyday? Its going to take a group effort and it won't cost ya anything to try it! Its worth a shot!



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bo

05-25-2004 09:38:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-25-2004 09:30:33  
Airline industry is different. They don't fly, they lose money. That seat dollar is gone forever. Like hotel room...don't rent the room and you can't rent it tomorrow for yesterday.

Gas..you'll use the same amount if you buy it today or tomorrow. You ready to not go to work? You will not cut your consumption of gas.

You might get a bit more efficient with gas but that's personal. You don't have to take a airplane flight, you might drive, not go, take a train. You don't have to stay in a hotel either. You have to have gas.

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Shane

05-25-2004 07:22:09




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
Not to rain on your parade but it doesnt work. You still have to buy that gas sometime. The only way it would work is if you don't USE the gas!



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CJ

05-25-2004 05:14:25




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 Re: Gas out days in reply to Gary in TX, 05-24-2004 22:09:23  
The only way to make it work is if everyone does not USE fuel on those days!!!



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bo

05-26-2004 07:27:36




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You ready to not go to work?



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bo

05-25-2004 07:10:16




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 Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to CJ, 05-25-2004 05:14:25  
It's a myth. Scroll down and read a bunch of posts on that...page 2-3



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Jerry

05-25-2004 08:01:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to bo, 05-25-2004 07:10:16  
All the stations have food and beverages. We might be more able to send a message by leaving that stuff in their store.



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Paul in Mich

05-25-2004 11:28:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jerry, 05-25-2004 08:01:23  
Jerry, Yeah, like bottled water at $1.00 per litre. We gripe and moan about $2.25 per gal gasolene, and then think nothing of grabbing a bottle of "Gold filtered water" at $8.00 per gal, 3 packs of cigarettes at $3.50 per pack, and $6.00 worth of scratchoff instant lottery tickets all during the same stop. Now in all reality, which of those items are the best bargain?



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bo

05-25-2004 09:19:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas out days in reply to Jerry, 05-25-2004 08:01:23  
No company selling a necessity cares about any messages. They already know that you're unhappy. They knew that when before the prices went up.



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