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To txblu.......... Red Dye Update

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john in la

05-04-2004 18:53:46




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Hello Mark;
A couple of weeks ago you were asking about red dye in diesel fuel. At that time I told you it was a liquid that comes in 55 gallon drums. Since you were asking about its ingredients I got the MSDS for it. As you can see it is a Flammable Liquid which means it burns on a rate with gas. Diesel is a Combustible. The red dye in it must be very flammable because as you can see it is mixed with 50% Kerosene (a combustible) to come up with the final dye additive.

To see the MSDS follow the links below.
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jed

05-05-2004 11:29:51




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 Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to john in la, 05-04-2004 18:53:46  
Benzene is bad news. Once you get it into your body, you can't get rid of it. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in MSDS sheets. A lot of places use generic ones. You can get a blank at the OSHA web site and fill in whatever you want about any product. There is really no enforcement, so it is at best a crap shoot.



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txblu

05-05-2004 05:46:46




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 Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to john in la, 05-04-2004 18:53:46  
Thank you very much John. That was thoughtful. Looks like the govt had their head on when they approved the formula.

Mark



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Ray,IN

05-04-2004 19:48:57




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 Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to john in la, 05-04-2004 18:53:46  
That is interesting John. I see it contains 16% benzines, those two are the ingredients making the mixture flammable. Benzine is a toxic material and listed as an inhalation hazard.



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Davis In SC

05-04-2004 20:33:39




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 Re: Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to Ray,IN, 05-04-2004 19:48:57  
Am I correct??? I recall Benzene as being a Carcinogen as well as causing liver damage..... Kinda odd that our gov't endorses the use of it..... .



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john in la

05-05-2004 07:41:53




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 Re: Re: Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to Davis In SC, 05-04-2004 20:33:39  
If I were worried about benzene exposure I do not think I would blame red dye.

Like I stated earlier red dye is mixed at a 1 to 10,000 ratio or at least it should be. At 16% of a gallon diluted in 10,000 gallons of diesel that is such a small # I can not add that low. And since it is mixed by computer at loading racks most of the time it will be mixed correctly. It cost money to put dye in fuel with no added return.

I think if I wanted to look into benzene I would look at gasoline first. Gasoline contains up to 5% benzene. This is one good reason not to have a vertical exhaust on a gas tractor. Even diesel fuel contains benzene. While at a much smaller amount than gasoline it is still there.

Here is a quote from road diesel MSDS..... ...

CITGO No. 2 Diesel Fuel, Low Sulfur, All Grades This material may cause damage to the following organs: kidneys, liver, upper respiratory tract, skin, eyes, central nervous system (CNS). Carcinogenic Potential This material may contain ethylbenzene and naphthalene at concentrations above 0.1%. IARC has identified ethylbenzene and naphthalene as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B) based on laboratory animal studies. NTP has determined that exposure to diesel exhaust particulates, a complex mixture of combustion products of diesel fuel, is reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen.

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txblu

05-05-2004 09:24:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to john in la, 05-05-2004 07:41:53  
Nice follow up (again) John.

Thanks,

Mark



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HY_Moose

05-05-2004 05:48:21




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 Re: Re: Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to Davis In SC, 05-04-2004 20:33:39  
Benzine is the chemical behind a large law suit involving people in the tire, rubber and Printing industries. I have printed for over 22 years so the add on TV caught my eye. The critical factor is the PPM in the air. I don't know if the PPM would be high enough in the air outside on a farm tractor. But then again I have pulled hard in the field and the wind was just right the smoke did get in my face. I don't know how safe that is for a young farm boy today.

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Bus Driver

05-05-2004 04:54:43




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 Re: Re: Re: To txblu.......... Red Dye Update in reply to Davis In SC, 05-04-2004 20:33:39  
Remember, the dye in the fuel is really a tax issue. Taxes or health? No contest! Tax collection is the more important. Your good health does not insure continued employment for the tax collector.



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