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Putting a diesel in IH halfton

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Russ

04-27-2004 19:45:59




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Hello,
my grandfather gave me a 1960 B110 shortbox in good condition. It has a 3 in the tree and a 6 cylinder with a connectiong rod stiching through the block. I want to repower it with a 4 cylinder or small 6 cylinder International diesel.

Has anyone done something like this? What is a good engine choice? Can anyone tell me about the diesel engines IH used in some Scouts?

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Russ

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Russ

04-28-2004 09:17:43




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
Hello.
I'm going to use an International Harvester Diesel engine only. IH V8 from fords are too big for my liking. I was going to use an engine from a small combine or tractor. I would like to use an engine around 300 CID. I won't be doing much pulling or heavy loads, just a beater to run around in around the farm. so I don't need much power. What IHC engines are good? What models of IH tractors & combines had diesel engines about 300 CID?

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Buzzman72

04-28-2004 10:28:28




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 Re: Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-28-2004 09:17:43  
Here's a few thoughts from an IH truck guy. Since you don't wanna go with the IH/Ford 6.9/7.3 (you'd have to find a bellhousing from an MV-series engine...usually found in Loadstars), you could probably find a diesel from a 560 or larger tractor that'd mate with the truck bellhousing...might want to swap in some 3/4-ton front springs to hold up the diesel's weight. 706, 806/856 might work, or might not. You could afford to go to higher-geared (lower numerically) rear end, since the main attraction of a diesel is low-end torque, and your upper rpm range would be limited...not like it wasn't by the original IH six to begin with!

Since I've never done a diesel swap into a pickup, I can't advise you of what problems to look for...but if you've got your heart set on it, GO FOR IT!

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kyhayman

04-28-2004 08:20:33




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
I'm with the post below on the 4-390 (3.9L) cummins. Got one in my skid loader w/o turbo and one with a turbo on a trailer as apower unit for a genset/irrigation pump. Very economical and practically bullet proof. Water pump came with a DT466 IH and the 4 cyl cummins pumps as much water on much less fuel.



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Bob

04-28-2004 07:24:35




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
The Cummins 3.9 turbo 4 cylinder is, I believe, capable of up to at least 150 HP, and is a neat engine for conversions. It is the same series as the Dodge pickup inline 6 Cummins, only with 2 less cylinders. They can be found with Chevy bellhousings, and if you were to use a Chevy transmission, it would be a bolt together deal.

Used Frito-Lay trucks come up for sale with that engine.

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jdemaris

04-28-2004 05:19:16




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
My neighbor has a 1960 1/2 ton International pickup with a Detroit 3-53 in it. It's interesting but I assume quite underpowered. Sounds like it's going a lot faster that it is. You've got lots of room in there for various engines, so I think you have to seriously consider what you want out of the truck. Do you want enough power to tow and climb hills, are you concerened about fuel mileage, etc? I've got seven diesel pickup trucks, all 6.2 General Motors powered or Fords with the International Harvester 6.9s. The older trucks, especially if rusty, can usually be picked up cheap and still running okay. You might consider buying a rusty truck that runs and buying the whole thing. Then you'd have all the drive-train parts if wanted. 6.2 G.M. engines are very durable, good on fuel, but low on power. The I.H. engines used in the Fords also hold up well, offer more power but are worse on fuel. If I was fixing up an I.H. pickup truck, I think I'd opt for an I.H. engine - like a 6.9 out of a Ford pickup. My 87 3/4 ton 4WD Chevy with the 6.2 diesel averages 15 m.p.g. but can get 20 on the highway and has 430,000 miles on it (never been apart). I have an 85 Ford heavy 3/4 ton 4WD pickup with the I.H. 6.9 diesel that gets 12 m.p.g. no matter where I go or how I drive.

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hay

04-28-2004 05:16:39




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
maybe consider an older model chevy (292 cid) or ford (300 cid) in line 6 cyl motor. they should still be fairly popular and would give you a lot of power. IH engines from that era might be hard to find and parts equally hard to find. can't advise on a 4 cyl, but i would think they might be a little low on power. i don't think a diesel would fit and the weight on the front end would be a major factor also.

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Wardner

04-27-2004 21:03:02




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
Weight should be your first consideration. The truck won't have the springs, kingpins, bearings, and steering that will survive alot of mileage if you put in a heavy diesel.

If you are relativly mature and your right foot has shed the lead that most kids acquire, you could consider a car type diesel. VW, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Volvo come to mind. The VW will be difficult because it is a crossmount and will require an adaptor. The rest could go in with their matching trannys.

I have a '32 Ford Pickup with a 220 Mercedes. It is a nice running truck.

The IH Scout was offered with a 6 cylinder Nissan diesel. I imagine they are fairly rare now. You should check parts availability on any diesel you might consider.

I have a Nissan Sentra diesel that I would sell. I am in MA.

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mud -hey!-

04-28-2004 06:11:27




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 Re: Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Wardner, 04-27-2004 21:03:02  
i would like to here more about this converstion.
how did it go for you? any pitfalls? any tips? mud



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Wardner

04-28-2004 11:20:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to mud -hey!-, 04-28-2004 06:11:27  
I changed out the Model B tranny for a '39 Ford top shift. It bolts right in. I made a 1" thick aluminum plate adaptor to join the 220 diesel Merc. The rest was misc motor mounts, linkages. and hoses. I am using an electric fan that works well.

Sitting in the cab, you would not know that the truck was altered. I used the same spoon throttle. The fuel shut off is the former choke. It even sounds like a Model A or B.

The only difference on the exterior is the Mack "Diesel" script that was used on the old B Models. It hangs on the headlamp cross bar via a small SS bracket.

This engine was designed to push a 3000 lb car in comfort. It is quite lively in my 2300 lb truck. I have never thought about installing a turbo. The induction and injection systems would require substantial alteration. Not even sure if there is a kit.

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mud

04-29-2004 10:10:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Wardner, 04-28-2004 11:20:38  
wardner, this truck of yours sounds like something i'd like to build. have any photos you could post?
sure does have my interest.



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Wardner again

04-28-2004 11:39:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Wardner, 04-28-2004 11:20:38  
BTW, I also have a '47 KB-5 (ton and a half) with a 4-53 Detroit Diesel. It is a fun truck and I used to use it alot. I may even put it back on the road with antique plates so that I can haul my tractors.

I wouldn't recommend any DD in a half ton pickup. Even 3-53 is too heavy. I think they weigh around 900 lbs. The noise is intense inside the cab. Some might think it is even musical from the sidewalk but your neighbors will eventually hate the sound of it.

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T_Bone

04-27-2004 20:44:57




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
Hi Russ,

You might want to look at a VW TDI, 4cyl turbo (VW newer DI diesel) about 100hp...don't know torque numbers.

T_Bone



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george md

04-27-2004 20:37:29




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
Russ, The diesel that IH used in the scouts was a Nissan, tough engine. If I were doing the repower , I would look for a 4 or 6 cylinder Consolidated diesel depending
on how much room there is between the radiator and the firewall . The 4 cyl is a little short on HP , but Frito lay uses them in the 1 ton
delivery vans ( step vans ).The 6 cyl might be a
little heavy for the front axle etc in the 1/2
ton.

george

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Jonathan

04-27-2004 20:01:30




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 Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Russ, 04-27-2004 19:45:59  
You could give her some noise with a small Detroit diesel, or a Cummins from a dodge, but I'm sure there are alot of engines that might possibly work. Possibly a powerstoke may fit, but then it would cost a fortune, and take ALOT of time and knowlege. Don't know as theres that much help availible for a project like that because you will be making a one of. It would make a neat project!. Maybe just a crate motor and have a gasoline powered hot rod?.

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Scott

04-28-2004 10:23:15




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 Re: Re: Putting a diesel in IH halfton in reply to Jonathan, 04-27-2004 20:01:30  
If you are considering diesel and want something that will bolt right in, look for a 282 or 301 diesel engine out of an international combine. They are built out of the same block that the 6 in your pickup is built out of. I believe the bellhousing pattern is the same as the gas engines as well. 715 combines will likely be the easiest place to find one, and lord knows they aren't worth anything as a field machine anymore.

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