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O.T. what kind of dog do I need

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Slofr8

04-19-2004 18:28:03




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Hi folks, I plan on building our new home this summer or next. 57 acres. Fields and woods. I have two young boys (3&5). We love this place because it is out of town but once and a while we see bear. Not real concerned but it gets me thinking. What I want is a dog that will stay with the kids. I had a Dalmation once but he was way to high strung. I thought about a Border Collie but heard they are a herding dog and not real good around kids. Maybe a sheperd of some kind? What kind of dog do you suggest? Male or female? Why?
Thanks in advance. Dan.

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Slofr8

04-21-2004 18:27:47




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Wow!! Lot of great responses! Thanks!
Whatever kind we get is going to have his/her work cut out with us. Lots of attention from the kids and plenty of room to roam. Thanks again. Dan.



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JT

04-20-2004 23:11:24




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Border Collie without a doubt.

We got one when I was about 14 and had her for about 12 to 14 years. She was a mix not the best cattle dog but the best companion animal I have ever known. It was almost like old yellar when we had to have her put down.

JM2CW

JT



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Chuck (VA)

04-20-2004 09:06:51




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
If you have a breeder of Fila Brazileiro near you talk to them. If they have a pup of even temperment and you raise it around your family. No harm will come to any member of your family why the dog is around regardless of age. They are exceptionally protective of 'their' family and property.

They also have herding instincts second only to their protective qualities.

You do not teach to protective, it is in their bloodline.

If you have unexpected guests showing up all the time than this animal is not for you. Animal tends to only 'tolerate' guests you introduce. But the dog will always treat quests with caution.

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dhermesc

04-20-2004 06:02:03




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Go to the pound and pick a likely looking American Breed (you know - a mutt). Without a specific task in mind for the animal other then campanionship for your children and a part time watch dog a mixed breed mid sized dog is the way to go. If he turns out bad you don't have $400-$800 invested in a dog you can't let off a chain he just dissappears and you go get another.

Ever dog advertised in the paper is AKC this or that and it doesn't mean a thing - unless its coming from a REPUTABLE breeder. Otherwise its one guy having his AKC reg dog breed to his neighbor's AKC reg dog of the same breed. Not taking into account temperment or a genetic defect in the dog's family. My brothers and sisters own 6 registered "pure breeds", and 4 have genetic defects that have costed thousands of dollars in attempts to repair - usually bad hips and premature arthritis and these are in some cases less then a year old. The dogs range from Jack Russels to Labs. It doesn't happen all the time but it just doesn't seem worth the exopense to find out.

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Fred OH

04-20-2004 05:21:38




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
In the past ten or so years I have had a Sharpei (Wrinkle dog) who seemed kinda primitive minded...he'd even lay down in the middle of the road. Worry you to death...and a black lab named Jessie. Jessie is undoubtedly the smartest dog I have ever owned...smart enough to predict you ahead of time and already have done what you were going to ask of him. Maybe he's just smarter than I am, I don't know. He was born around 1994 and of recent I have noticed him getting a little stiff in the hips as others have described and of course his whiskers are whiter than mine. Of all the dogs I've had in a lifetime...he is the favorite of all. I tried another black lab pup about a year ago, a female...thinking that I should get some pups from the Jessie dog. She was the slender faced type lab with the foulest smelling breath for a pup (uncommon to me)...needless to say I couldn't do anything with her and had to give her away. So, some are good, some aren't...How do you pick a winner? Hard to say. I think it has to be love at first site, so, take the family and hound the pounds or the breeders...good luck. Fred OH

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Dave

04-20-2004 05:06:45




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
With out a doubt, a female Australian Shepard. 1st choice, or a female golden retriever 2nd choice. We have both at our place, the Shepard is very watchful of my boy and family. And she has been great at keeping my yard rid of unwanted pests including snakes, hogs and sales people the retriever is about 2 years now and she is just the sweetest thing to everyone. Give them lots of attention and treat them like a member of the family and most dogs will be loyal and a pleasure to be around.
Dave

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Dave 2N

04-20-2004 04:43:59




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Slo-

There are lots of good dogs out there but for your situation (kids and country)I feel that you can't beat an Australian Shepherd. My wife and I raised four kids (3 boys and a girl) in the country on 45 acres. We got our first Aussie in the 70's and have had seveal since. They are great family dogs and but will still look out for their "family." My wife and I still talk about how they would stick with the kids like glue when they were out playing.

One day we heard one of the kids hollering and went out to see what the ruckus was; Meg, our first Aussie wouldn't let the kids go down the driveway toward the road. She kept pushing them back toward the house and the kids were squawking about the dog kind of "looking out for them."

We buried our last Aussie about a month ago; she's up in the back yard next to her aunt and grandmother. Three big field stones mark their resting places. My wife and I weren't sure about getting another dog but with two toddler grandsons close by who like to hang out up here with us, we kind of think that another Aussie isn't too far off and would maybe be a pretty good idea.

My only bit of advice would be to get one that comes from a line with calm dispositions, family- type dogs. Some of the pure working stock Aussies can be a bit hyper.

Good luck and this is just my $.02 based on our experiences with kids, country and Aussies.

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buickanddeere ... Aussie

04-20-2004 08:31:48




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 Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Dave 2N, 04-20-2004 04:43:59  
An Aussie Shepard raised as a pup with the kids is outstanding. Our 9 month old red male is coming along fine. Lets them maul him near to death. Only barks when something is different. He gave a verbal tune-up to my sister-in-law last weekend when she wore a rabbit outfit for Easter. He doesn't stray too far from the yard and after a few reminders has curbed his interest in vehicles on the road. Spends his off time in the creek & marsh sniffing around. Also pushes a plastic pail around the yard doing circus tricks he learned on his own. Plays fetch well and very willing to please and subservient. No battle of wills who is the Alpha in the household. Need some livestock for him to drive. Made the mistake of whacking him down one day while wearing my suit for church as he jumped up. He's a little timid now and on occasion piddles when near myself. The previous mature Aussie dog when introduced to kids, she mostly just tolerated them. A couple of pats and she would walk off. After the kids play dog, the Golden retriever died the Aussie made a point of walking up to the kids to be petted. That dog caught hundreds of ground hogs and keep the dirty honking nesting Canada Geese out of the creek.

That dog was smart, when picking up the shotgun she would run to the field to flush birds, pickup the rifle and she would start tracking deer. Thought I’d fool her one day and came out of the house with a fishing pole, she went to the garden and started digging for worms.

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IHC Red

04-20-2004 21:58:47




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to buickanddeere ... Aussie , 04-20-2004 08:31:48  
Nice stories.



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mudstuck

04-20-2004 09:36:37




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to buickanddeere ... Aussie , 04-20-2004 08:31:48  
"Thought I’d fool her one day and came out of the house with a fishing pole, she went to the garden and started digging for worms."

oh my heavens i laughed hard at that one. thank you sir. mudstuck



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skycarp

04-20-2004 08:54:54




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to buickanddeere ... Aussie , 04-20-2004 08:31:48  
LOL, Sorry Buick,

I was with you until your dog went to the garden for worms. I know too many oldtimers who tell that story too often.



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dirthog

04-20-2004 03:58:03




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
I've had a bunch of good dogs. Right now I have a pure german shepard, without a doubt the best dog around the kids I've ever had. She's with the kids whereever they go, always playfull with them but also aways on the look out for trouble. As for bears it's a known fact that if a bear is ornary enough to cause trouble, 9 out of 10 dogs will retreat from the bear bringing the bear following, right to you. Inless you have a especially bold bear hanging around, I wouldnt worry at all about them. Keep your garbage secure, and anything else that might attract bears and enjoy your new place.

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CH

04-20-2004 03:49:37




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
I agree with T-Bone about the hunting. First time I showed my yellow the shotgun, it was like she knew it was for hunting. But as for security, if a burglar gave her a bone, she'd hold the door while he carried the tv out. Friendly dogs.

Get a poodle.



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hay

04-20-2004 02:48:17




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
if you move next to me, preferably a breed of dog that don't bark constantly.



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KURT (mi)

04-20-2004 02:31:36




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
You have bears where your at? I would think that a bear would just eat the dog and maul the kids. I would think that you may need more than one dog and maybe a fenced in area for the kids.



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Slofr8

04-21-2004 18:42:50




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 Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to KURT (mi), 04-20-2004 02:31:36  
Hi Kurt,
Yes we see a bear once and a while. (Northern Maine:Black bear) Thing is they sit in some of the fields and feast on the strawbaerys growing there. I have the utmost respect for these wonderfull animals. That's one of the reasons we want to live there. As long as they hear or see you they will run away. That is what the dog is for. It's when they are eating or with thier young and are surprised that can be dangerous. Moose! Now that is another story. They come around all the time! Dan.

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stan

04-19-2004 22:33:51




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
We have a border collie, and he is excellent around our grand kids. Just about any dog will be your best friend for life it is treated kind during the young years. Save a dogs life and get one form a shelter. Around kids, a pug is about the best, but may not do good with bears.



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ShepFL

04-19-2004 20:48:44




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
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My first choice yrs. ago would be a Lab. Be prepared as they are pups for about 2 yrs. Other choice would be a Blue Heeler.

Since I live in the South a long hair dog is out for me. Around our house we raise American Bulldogs exclusively (not pit bull terriers).

They are smart (learn quick), have fun personalities and are very athletic, remind me of a good looking AQHA horse. I prefer the red saddleback dogs with with a white chest, blaze and 4 stocking feet. Not prone to any health problems that I am aware but they are prone to skin allergies while young.

I have had these dogs around my kids, neighbors etc. and NEVER had a problem. I take them camping with my BSA troop, they love to swim with the boys. These dogs love to ride in a truck, sit in your lap, lay on your feet as mine is as I type and they also like to play hide and go seek. Their facial expressions are limitless and they always appear to be smiling.

The dogs are excellent working dogs, very protective of their property and make outstanding guard dogs. The look more intimidating than they are, I do not crop the ears or tail. Others do just for looks.

IMHO it is all how you raise and socialize the animal and that goes for any animal. Raise them with love and discipline and they will be good. Treated badly they will act badly or lash out from fear. Aggressive dogs are a product of their environments, not usually their genetics. The owner is 100% responsile for the behavior of their dog.

That said my best recommendation is to take the dog to a basic obedience course and right from the get go assert yourself as the dominate force in that dogs life. It is much easier to correct inappropriate behavior and show the correct responses and behaviors to a young bulldog than to a 100 pounder, so start immediately.

I was scared off of G.Shepherds as a boy and have never trusted them since.

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Wayne

04-19-2004 20:47:07




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Find you a good sized 'Sooner...that's a dog that's just as 'sooner' one breed as another. Every outside dog I've ever owned has been a mixed breed, usually with some Lab, Chow, Setter, Pointer, combination or something close anyway based on their looks and behavior. Most of mine have been strays that wondered up and took residence or, like one of the last ones that I had for 10 yrs, a pup I found setting on the side of the road. There's no way of knowing 100% for sure what was in all the mixes but they were all the best, most loyal dogs I've known. They have all always been good with kids and have never bitten anybody. Still they usually have a loud enough bark and "mean enough" size and look to be a good deterent anyway. The main thing with kids is to make sure to introduce the dog to the kids early on and let it get used to them and insure it respects them while at the same time making sure the kid respects the dog and treats it right also. One mean kid in it's past and a dog doesn't forget. Just my .02

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UFO

04-19-2004 19:49:57




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Golden retriever, Lab, Australian Sheppard, any larger mixed with the above will do, except mixed with a fighter or chow. Chows are the kid biting-est dogs I've ever run across. Dals come in a strong second, guard dogs third, IMHO.

Might I also add that as much as I love puppies, I hate to raise them. Some of the best dogs I've ever owned I found at the pound. Somehow they know that you rescued them from certain misery and death and return exceptional loyalty.

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tortmort

04-19-2004 19:50:08




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
I would get a large cross breed. Less congenital problems with hips/front leg joints. Also, most insurance policies specifically exclude coverage for pit bulls, German shepards, Rotts, Dobermans. I got two lab/shepard mixes when I moved out to the sticks, a brother and sister for $50.00. They bark and are big enough to make people/animals think twice but I doubt they would bite, i.e. no liability issues. You do not need one dog, you need at least two. They will keep each other company and your family safe.

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Butcher

04-19-2004 19:06:17




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
Over 20 years ago when my girls were young and at home we had a German Shepard. I bought it from a breeder that sold dogs to Police departments. He was getting old and was getting out of the bussiness and had 1 litter left to sell. No kidding this was the best people protecting dog I have ever had. When the girls would walk the 1/2 mile driveway to catch the bus in the mornings that dog would be right with them. If there was a different bus driver, the dog would climb on the bus with them. They would have to drag her off and tell her it was OK. That dog would be there every day waiting at the end of the lane waiting for the bus to drop them off. That shepard did not care about our property but I sure did not have to worry about my kids with her around.

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Skycarp

04-19-2004 18:42:12




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 Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Slofr8, 04-19-2004 18:28:03  
With no reservations, I recommend a female Labador Retriever. They are smart, easy to train, loyal to you, and great with kids. I have a female choc lab, two years old, and she is the best thing we have ever done.

Get a book on obediance and follow it. She will be one of your best investments for our property. Just plan your training in advance and she will do what you want her to do.



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IHC Red

04-20-2004 22:09:14




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 Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Skycarp, 04-19-2004 18:42:12  
My uncle (in his 70s) was ice fishing with his female lab. The stove malfunctioned and he fell asleep. The dog started to carry on and woke him up. He drowsily made his way back to the farm and parked the pickup. My aunt was wondering what was going on because he didn't come in the house. She went out and had trouble getting him to respond. She rushed him to the hospital. The carbon-monoxide in his blood was at near lethal levels. I thank God for that dog.

That dog will surely raise a ruckus when a strange car or critter comes in the yard.

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Dave_Id

04-19-2004 18:44:08




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 Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Skycarp, 04-19-2004 18:42:12  
Darn, I was going to say that.



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T_Bone

04-19-2004 19:54:10




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Dave_Id, 04-19-2004 18:44:08  
Hi Slofr8,

I gota agree with the Labs. I've had black Labs for the past 50yrs being the most friendly dogs all the time but one mean mother when needed, without any formal training.

By that I mean, Labs have a natural instinct to protect there owners and are a excellant judge of character.

Just make sure you buy young AKA pups, 5/6wks old (I like 5wk old) and that the parents had been trained to hunt. This makes training the pup easier, even tho you may not want a hunting dog. AKA is to keep people of trying to pass off non-pure blood lines or mix breeds as Labs and pups with bad hip joints.

T_Bone

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Del

04-19-2004 19:44:24




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Dave_Id, 04-19-2004 18:44:08  
Me also. Labs are hard to beat around kids.



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Road Warrio

04-19-2004 19:56:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I need in reply to Del, 04-19-2004 19:44:24  
I can't pass up this oppurtunity. I have 6 black lab/shepherd pups to GIVE away. Only 6 weeks old, they are just right. OK, now everyone send me your address and I will get your pup in the mail tomorrow!! :)



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Paul in Mich

04-20-2004 06:05:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. what kind of dog do I ne in reply to Road Warrio, 04-19-2004 19:56:34  
Where are you located, I would be interested. E.Mail me with info.



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