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Billy R

04-16-2004 08:13:56




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My TC33D New Holland tractor with front end loader broke in half right behind where the front end loader connects. Has anyone else had this problem.




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former NH dlr parts mgr.

04-18-2004 12:22:08




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
We had two customers that broke their machines (both TC-33D). In BOTH cases the customers had put larger buckets on them, and had jacked up the relief pressure so it would lift the larger load. At factory settings the loader will not lift enough to cause this problem. If someone wants to be able to lift XXX lbs of something, TELL THE DEALER and they will spec. you a macine capable of doing what you need. Don't blame the manufacturer if you buy a compact tractor, and really need a mid size machine.

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IHC Red

04-17-2004 00:10:13




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
I've been enamored by JD 301/401s for some time... are their loaders tough enough to dig in the ground ?



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kyhayman

04-16-2004 20:57:45




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
Never had a TC33 but have broken more than one tractor with a FEL. Worst was a 1290 Case/DB. 3 front axles (not pivot pins). Loader was too stout for the tractor. Got a 1210 and broke the loader frame several times. Finally reinforced it where it wouldnt and broke the whole front casting off the tractor (also broke a rear axle housing another time).

Every one of these events had a common thread, I was exceeding the lift capacity of the loader or digging into the ground. Every loader manual I have read says 'do not dig'. Most of us use them like a skid loader or highlift. Finally decided it was cheaper to use my loader for loading round bales, bought a skid loader for routine stuff, and rent a dozer or high lift when I need to. Cheaper than the damage to the tractor.

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Gary in TX

04-16-2004 17:09:27




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
I have heard that the New Holland tractors were pretty flemsy and pretty much junky from a guy that used to work for them. However a neighbor down the road bought one a couple years ago adn it seemed ok, he moved to GA last year and sold it after only having it a couple of years or less, he really didn't even break it in.

Now then in my opinion its pretty much how you use something as to having something break into on ya. A loader on a farm tractor was not designed to do the work of a construction grade outfit. I'm carefull to not over do it on my 4430 with my Deere 725 loader and I have a 48 loader that I'm going to put on my 3020. The 48 came off of a 4020 that I traded on the 4430 last year and I never had any problems with with it although I did trade the tractor after having clutch problems with it. Common sense is the key to keeping things running and not tearing things up. Your going to have break downs there is no doubt about that but if you watch what your doing the self inflicted break downs will be few and far between, oh yea get ya a green and yeller one!!!!! !!

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Bus Driver

04-16-2004 16:26:10




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
My age is showing. For many years, the name New Holland could only mean a baler around here. But farm tractors with loaders will occasionally break, regardless of brand of tractor or loader.



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Scotty

04-16-2004 14:21:02




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
My take on this is simple... The modern utility tractor isnt really a tractor! Its really junk that is supposed to look like a tractor, & act like a tractor; but it wont stand up to the stresses of a tractor! Try taking it out, & put a 2-14, or a 2-16 plow behind it, & plow a hundred acres! I think You will find that a JD "50" 2 cylinder will hold up a lot better than almost any new tractor today! Todays machines are built to be cheap to produce, & with the price of steel going up its only going to get worse! Try putting a loader on an older Ford tractor & You'll be a lot safer, & smarter! Several years ago I saw a JD 6300, or 6400 (I think) sitting at a terrible angle leaning to the left side. Less than 2 years into the models production. The reason... The rear axle came off at the mounting bolts to the frame. I do not know if the bolts broke, or the axle ripped off; But one thing is certain. JD WAS AFTER QUANTITY; NOT QUALITY!!! If they were after quality it would have never the factory.

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bo

04-16-2004 16:19:06




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 Re: Re: New Holland failure in reply to Scotty, 04-16-2004 14:21:02  
Not true, each is designed to do job and even the older ones had serious limitation. You need enough tractor to do the job and if means pulling multiple plows, then you need the appropriate size machine. My other commments at the bottom of the posts stands.



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Hal

04-16-2004 17:19:54




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 Re: Re: Re: New Holland failure in reply to bo, 04-16-2004 16:19:06  
If it's a New Holland loader and they tell you it's designed for your tractor and the right match, then the tractor shouldn't break in half, whether it's balanced or not. Sometimes you're lifting light load other times you get into something it can barely lift and the relief valve blows. One or more wheels could drop into a soft spot or a hole when you're moving with a load on and there are all kinds of stresses, it still shouln't break in half unless you were driving at an unreasonable speed, hit something etc. If it does it is a poor design or mismatch between tractor and loader.

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bo

04-16-2004 19:14:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Holland failure in reply to Hal, 04-16-2004 17:19:54  
Nope,,,all the manuals will tell you to balance the load.



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Adam B.

04-18-2004 05:52:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Holland failure in reply to bo, 04-16-2004 19:14:43  
Not having proper ballast won't cause breakage, but could lead to an event which does. Using a loader without sufficient rear ballast can result in the tractor tipping forward. Rolling over or lifting the rear up, then letting it fall to the ground would cause damage. Same for heavy loads on the rear and not having enough counter-weight on the front. The weight balance is supposed to keep the tractor's tires in contact with the ground for the best traction and handling, regardless the position or load of mounted equipment (under proper working conditions). Being properly ballasted is not going to prevent breakage from a design flaw or an overstress due to improper use.

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paul

04-16-2004 13:47:59




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
Sort of heard of such from someone who heard of it from someone type of deal..... Don't remember the exact model tho.

Were you using a backhoe, those are known to bust a tractor in half.

Do you have a NH loader, or other make? Was it the loader that busted it? Warrenty gets complicated if you have a non-NH loader. They blame you & each other, takes longer.

Some discussion of such at www. tractor by net. com Anyhow a lot more compact owners to reach out to.

--->Paul

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KURT (mi)

04-16-2004 13:00:04




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
I hope it is under warranty? Sounds expensive.



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buickanddeere

04-16-2004 12:42:03




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
Are you alright? Sounds like it was possible to get pinched, squashed or thrown? What did your NH dealer say?



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billy r

04-22-2004 17:18:08




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 Re: Re: New Holland failure in reply to buickanddeere, 04-16-2004 12:42:03  
The New Holland technical rep said it was out of warranty and he didn't need to look at it. NH would not do anything.

Was not hurt tractor was not moving when the breakage happened.



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Ribbitt

04-16-2004 10:44:22




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 Re: New Holland failure in reply to Billy R, 04-16-2004 08:13:56  
I have a TC33D with a Woods loader. I have not had any problems, but the dealer came around last year or the year before and installed a heavy reinforcing brace that Woods developed in response to some problems like you described. Don't know what New Holland was doing for their own loaders, though.



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bo

04-16-2004 13:35:37




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 Re: Re: New Holland failure in reply to Ribbitt, 04-16-2004 10:44:22  
You have to balance the load, you need almost an equal amount of weight on the back as you expect to have on the front. Without the balance, you'll stress the tractor and possibly break it in half. The answer to the question is no,,,I haven't had that personal experience.



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