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cam and balance problems?

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Josh

04-13-2004 15:01:29




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I have a massey ferguson 180 gas tractor (continental G206 engine). It was rebuilt about 100 hours ago, with new bearings, pistons, sleeves, rings, valves. The cam was never removed. One balancer shaft was replaced (with used) because it was broken in the reassembly process. Since then the tractor has destroyed two distributors. In both the weights inside the distributor came apart and destroyed the housing. What the heck is going on? Some people have told me that i have cam or timing gear problems. I plan on pulling the front cover off the engine. How will i tell what is the problem? Will something be visibly wrong? If not how will i tell what the problem is? Thanks for any help. Josh

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Greg

04-13-2004 19:35:38




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 Re: cam and balance problems? in reply to Josh, 04-13-2004 15:01:29  
I have not worked on the cam in your particular tractor, but I saw the same problem a couple of years on another continental, although a smaller one, and it was the end float on the cam.



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Josh

04-14-2004 05:12:18




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 Re: Re: cam and balance problems? in reply to Greg, 04-13-2004 19:35:38  
Greg,
Thanks for the reply. When you worked on the engine, was the problem visible when you took things apart? When you say end float, do you mean the lobe on the cam? Or something else? I have never done any work with a cam before. thanks for the help.
Josh



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Greg

04-14-2004 19:11:54




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 Re: Re: Re: cam and balance problems? in reply to Josh, 04-14-2004 05:12:18  
Ok,,this was a Z-134? engine I was working on in a small forklift, same as a 135 MF basically. As I recall, it is a similiar design to yours, OK, what happenned was it blew up the distributor, just as you described, and as it is quite old with a lot of hours we just assumed it let go due to age, so we patched it up and away it went, for about 3 days, then it did it again, so we dropped in a used unit, surprise, couple days later, same thing. Upon teardown what I found was the cam gear had been overtightened. The cam is rifle drilled on the end (hollow) for the shaft for the governor to sit in, and when over tightened, the threaded end broke off the shaft. Since the cam gear provides end float control for the cam it allowed to cam to walk back and forth lengthwise, putting a lot of stress on the distributor and gear and most likely allowing the timing to change a lot as well. Hope this helps,,maybe you can remove the distributor, carefully noting where the rotor points to for reassembly, and WITHOUT rotating the engine with the distributor out try prying the cam forward and rearward with a screwdriver?

Lots of luck,,Greg,,and I noticed, I was a bit longwinded here

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