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Buyer and Selle

03-30-2004 05:19:31

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I read Dick Underwood's post down below about checking out a seller and it is certainly a valid question and well done, he doesn't name or flame anyone specifically. What concerns me is when some guys (eg. some of the responses) name certain individuals as being crooked or cheats or whatever and then somebody else posts information that the individual is a reputable dealer to buy from. Obviously there are two sides to every story. I think we have to be careful when we come right out on a public forum and say that someone is not to be dealt with based on just your own experience. Such posts could be pretty harmful to someone who is reputable, yet has had perhaps a limited number of unfortunate dealings (which I'm sure many of us have had). Just my thoughts on the issue and I wonder how others feel.

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Rauville

03-30-2004 16:45:49

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Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Buyer and Seller, 03-30-2004 05:19:31

I've been selling old stuff for a long time, and most of my customers started buying from me because they were referred by someone else. A good reputation is just as easy to acquire as a bad one; but the bad one will get more advertising!
Just yesterday a Lady came in with a item she had bought from me a couple of days before. She had decided she wanted a different piece...but she really liked the one she had bought...would I take the original item back in trade, and then mark it "sold", so she could make payments on it?...Sure, why not!
I remember a business in Deadwood that had the motto of: "The customer always comes first!"...Works, no matter what you're selling!

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T_Bone

03-30-2004 15:47:38

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Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Buyer and Seller, 03-30-2004 05:19:31

Hi Alberta Mike,

I strongly disagree with you. A man has nothing but his word and if his word is no good then he has nothing in this world.

If a person posts a forsale item on this website and is not honest in their dealings on that item then I don't see a problem with letting other folks know that they too had bad problems with that person.

Nothing says that the accused can not make a response comment at that time. If the seller is in shame and does not respond then that is their problem.

I do agree that not every deal made is going to be smooth each and every time. That happens in any type of transaction.

Example: Someone asked if AT&T cell service was ok. I had nothing but long term hard problems with AT&T cell service. AT&T over billing me and took 7mths to correct the problem. Now I had AT&T service for over 40yrs but you now could not give me free AT&T service as they have changed the way they do business. I now have Verizon cell service and couldn't be happier as mistakes taken care of easy and better coverage areas with more included options.

I see nothing wrong at all telling someone the above as that was my experience with AT&T for one bad year out of 40yrs. Does that mean 30 million other AT&T cell users are not happy? Nope... just means I was unhappy.

That would also apply to a forsale item on this website when I'm getting ready to incur $500 in travel expense just to look at a item that was stated in "fine working order" and in reality was in "poor condition at best" when I got there.

I think I would tell someone of my experience so maybe they don't layout $500 just to find out the item was grossly mistated.

T_Bone

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Alberta Mike

03-31-2004 03:53:07

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Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to T_Bone, 03-30-2004 15:47:38

I see your point, however who is to judge whether the transaction is in fact dishonest or not? Obviously, both sides have a story to tell and the accuser could be totally wrong yet feel that posting the sellers name is OK. As far as the seller having a chance to post his opposition to the buyers claim here on the forum, that is something which most would not even consider getting involved in. Two people throwing stones turns the whole thing into a needless fight in public which makes things even worse. And do we think that all sellers spend their time here on the discussion forum? I doubt it somehow.

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T_Bone

03-31-2004 14:01:42

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Re: Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Alberta Mike, 03-31-2004 03:53:07

Hi Mike,

It always the buyer that has that judgement call.

I personally take what is said like a grain of salt but if 5 people tell me it has feathers and quacks I'm pretty sure it's a duck. If I didn't mention I was thinking it was a duck, then 5 people have just confirmed my personal thoughts, "I'm dealing with a duck".

Yes that I do agree with that there's always going to be bickering with a thread on this topic. That is part of the baggage that comes along with selling. It's the same comments you would hear in your local coffee shop.

YTMag just happens to be our "local coffee shop"

T_Bone

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Loren-Minnesota

03-30-2004 17:22:54

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Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to T_Bone, 03-30-2004 15:47:38

I have to agree with T-Bone that there are companies that will rip you off. However, I think we all have to agree that there are crocks out there that mis-represent and sell old iron. I've dealt with a few, but I won't share that information on this forum and any other. I'll ask the person inquiring to e-mail me and I will share my experiences directly.

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JED

03-30-2004 09:51:17

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Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Buyer and Seller, 03-30-2004 05:19:31

I try to be honest about what I am selling and when I can I send out a picture. Even after sending out pictures and having sold items, I have gotten unhappy people. Not a lot , but a few. I guess the best way is to sell things, as is where is and make that clear.

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mike

03-30-2004 17:50:29

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Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to JED, 03-30-2004 09:51:17

If most of the guys selling tractors in Kentucky
and tennessee were honest and up front about
the tractors they were selling they couldn't
sell anything.These guys are pro's at fudging
the truth or leaving out little tidbit's like,it has a hole in the block.

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Ky or Tn?

03-31-2004 14:51:35

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Re: Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to mike, 03-30-2004 17:50:29

Then NAME them so others can avoid them, and tell us which ones tried to rip YOU off personally.

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Davis In SC

03-30-2004 09:23:32

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Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Buyer and Seller, 03-30-2004 05:19:31

I thought the same thing. Plus I wonder if it could be considered as libel or slander. In my business , I have been cheated by vendors & clients, but I do not normally tell others. I usually limit my comments to "I do not care to deal with..... ...." or something similar.

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tlak

03-31-2004 00:09:01

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Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Davis In SC, 03-30-2004 09:23:32

I dont think anybodies ever going to come after you for libel or slander. If you keep a copy of the ad or an email where the person stated a condition of the item and any one thing is different than stated its kind of hard to win a case. If youve filed with the postal service, attorney general, police, what are they going to do take you to court where you can get at them?

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Dave H (MI)

03-30-2004 08:38:53

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Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Buyer and Seller, 03-30-2004 05:19:31

I too was troubled by those postings. In my business I deal with a lot of clients on an annual basis. It is impossible to please them all. Some will complain each year about some aspect and no matter how hard we try, we can't make it right. I would hate to think that they could take their complaints and vent them publicly in an attempt to sabotage my living.
These people are not telling both sides and shouldn't be telling it at all unless they are absolutely and unrefutably postive they are right.

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Jonathan

03-30-2004 07:03:59

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Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Buyer and Seller, 03-30-2004 05:19:31

I know people who complain they got ripped off with everything they buy around here, and I know theres gotta be alot more of them around the world. I have sold alittle bit of stuff and even though I try to be totally honest with what the item is I'm selling, I still get people who change their mind and complain I ripped them off. Perfect example: I sold an engine to a guy who wanted to buy it and asked me if I would sell it, and I said yes. He then agreed to a price and paid me off in payments over the course of last summer. After he finished paying for it and picked it up, he complained that it was junk and wanted his money back. He claimed it wasn't useable (a complete engine that had lots of compression). Come to find out he had taken it home and broke a bunch of stuff off from it and then he wanted his money back. I told him no, that he now owned it, I think he's still pretty sore with me over that and I'm sure telling people I screwed him. He had also been told he had paid too much by his mechanic friend, now he had came to me and wanted to buy it and it wasn't nothing I had for sale or anything, nor did I force a price on him. I named a price and he agreed to it. He even came back and complained about the water pump being bad and some of exaust manifold bolts came out hard. He had originally bought it for parts, because he wanted the crank out of it. He knew what it was because he came and looked at it a bunch of times before he bought it and I told him what I knew. Some people are like that, unless it's something they get for free they will be complaining when it breaks down 6 months later etc...

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Cosmo

03-30-2004 14:15:49

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Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Jonathan, 03-30-2004 07:03:59

Jonathan, I had a similar experience with an old motorcycle a passerby saw under my shed. I told him it wasn't in running condition and probably never would be. He had to have it as-is where-is. A couple of days later he wanted me to pay for some repairs and also knock off $100. I said to bring it back and I'd give him his money. He brought it back with the turn signal arms bent, the handle bar bent and scratches where it had none before. I was true to my word and gave him a refund and asked him to never darken my door again.

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I Like Case

03-30-2004 07:43:46

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Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Jonathan, 03-30-2004 07:03:59

Some people aren't even happy if it's free. I have given working stuff away and had people come back and want me to pay to fix it when it quit.

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rhouston

03-31-2004 08:40:17

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Re: Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to I Like Case, 03-30-2004 07:43:46

number one reason we will not sell the company's used computers to the employees.

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Bob

03-30-2004 08:23:06

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Re: Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to I Like Case, 03-30-2004 07:43:46

Amen to that, brother!

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Mark

03-30-2004 09:04:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Bob, 03-30-2004 08:23:06

I have one that borrows stuff (implements), breaks it and brings it back for me to fix, free, in a hurry so he can get back to his field.

Latest caper was a grain drill I bought and restored. I haven't even had a chance to use it and he wanted to borrow it anyway.

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harley1983

04-01-2004 21:02:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Naming names here on the forum in reply to Mark, 03-30-2004 09:04:08

I for one would welcome the exposure of anyone who blatantly and truely defrauded another person out there. It might have saved me $2500.00 cash. I am sitting here looking at the official paperwork from Washington County Kansas from the State Attorney General telling me that as one of 18 injured parties, I don't have to show up for a court hearing that was postponed until May 7th, 2004, unless I want to, but don't you know that I'm going to drop everything and travel 382 miles just to see the look on Greg Jackson's face, Hanover, Kansas, when the judge hangs him out to dry. If you know of a crook, tell us. It just might save your neighbor a lot of headaches. By the way, Greg, what goes around comes around, huh? Harley 1983.

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