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Dan

03-28-2004 05:31:29




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I was having trouble with the three point arm picking up on my 44-30 and was going to change the transmission filter, but when i went to start it again it started right up and ran for about 5 seconds and died. so i thought i would put fuel filters in it too. But after i put the fuel filters in and tried to start the engine it wouldn't turn over at all.
Isn't the battery because the lights and guages all work when i turn the key on. So can anybody help me out on this problem??

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Scotty

03-28-2004 11:05:51




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 Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 05:31:29  
I had a 4430 that the Air Conditioning Compressor locked up, & the starter would not turn the Engine over at all! I took a hacksaw, & cut the V - Belts off the Compressor, & the tractor started right up! Lucky for me that happened in late October so I was able to run till March without Air! I had the same problem with my 3pt. Hitch; but I took it to the dealer, & they spent several hours on it, & replaced at lot of parts!

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Dan

03-28-2004 13:02:44




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 Re: Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Scotty, 03-28-2004 11:05:51  
Hey guys thanks for all the info....
i ended up tapping the starter and the solenoid with a hammer and not sure what i did but it started then!
Thanks for all of your help!!!!!



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hay

03-28-2004 10:55:57




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 Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 05:31:29  
try this when trying to start the engine,turn the steering wheel at the same time. i had this happen on several of the older large john deere's and it works. something about taking pressure off the steering pump helps the engine turn over faster. sounds crazy, but i seen it work several times on different models.



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david val

03-28-2004 10:50:16




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 Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 05:31:29  
try to turn the engine manually with a rotating tool or even by pulling on the belts while trying to rotate the fan. if the engine turns at least two full turns, you can release a sigh of relief and continue checking the starting system.
good luck.
david



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Brokenwrench

03-28-2004 08:26:37




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 Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 05:31:29  
First thing to check is the neutral safety switch. Try wiggling the shifters around and make sure its in neutral.The safety switch is on the right side of the trans case,toward the top if its a synchro or quad,or on the valve body on a powershift behind a small shield at the bottom.It will have 2 wires going to it.Make sure the connector is in place and clean. If this doesn't do it,look up under the hood on the left side of the tractor near the firewall. There is a solenoid there, The large red wire feeding it has a push together connector that some times gets corroded,pull it apart and clean it.All of this is assuming the batteries are charged and the starter didn't die.

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Mark

03-28-2004 07:40:14




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 Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 05:31:29  
My first quick check is battery voltage, but my batteries are side mounded and very easy to check. 12.75 volts is what I use for fully charged on an average temp day at least 12 hours after any charging operaton.

Next if I turn the key and nothing happens, I have 2 choices. I either go back to the voltmeter and check the coil drive terminal at the starter solenoid (on top of my starter, the small term) or take a pair of common pliers and just jump across the big terminals on the same solenoid and see if I get an electrical racket and hear some kind of life, including an attempt at starting. What happens here determines if I chase down the big wire ckt or the small control wire ckt.

Running your diesel for 5 sec and dieing, as you know, has nothing to do with your tractor's electrical system (no electricity involved in the diesel process) unless you have an electrical fuel shut off valve (mine are manual dash levers you pull to kill. But if you subsequently attempt to start it and nothing happens, it's not the diesel ckt. So divide and conquer.

So, you need do some looking and supply us with more info and we can sharpen your sword.
PS
If you have a 24 volt system, the key switch is one complicated honey and could have, over the years, worn out. Even if it is not 24 volt, the switch is a good place to suspect. And if you have an electrical diesel fuel supply switch and it is fed off power coming thru your switch, you have a common thread. No power (thru the switch) for running the starter and no power to allow diesel to flow to the engine.

Mark

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RAB

03-28-2004 05:45:35




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 Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 05:31:29  
Don't assume it's not battery. Lights and such take a mere fraction of the current needed to turn the starter motor on load.
You need a circuit tester and check voltages from the battery to the starter. Are we talking about the starter not turning (or trying to turn) or the engine? And this is only the beginning....
Regards, RAB



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Dan

03-28-2004 06:04:17




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 Re: Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to RAB, 03-28-2004 05:45:35  
When i turn the key there's nothing.....
Thought maybe the transmission filter could be plugged and could that cause a shut down or not??
So your saying i should check the battery first even though it usually starts right up and i have pretty new batteries in it.



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RAB

03-28-2004 12:29:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 06:04:17  
I was answering your post, making reference to your comment. At 3000 miles or more, I would not have a clue as to the quality/charge level/connections on your battery. Just be pretty stupid if it was something as simple as that and you dismantle the whole tractor before finding out.
Even you say 'it usually starts right up'. This alone indicates that it does not always do so, as does your problem of today.
Always start with the simple things and check out along the line until you find the inoperative link. Easier that way.
Regards, RAB

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twopop

03-28-2004 06:11:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Needing a John Deere mechanic help. in reply to Dan, 03-28-2004 06:04:17  
when you turn the key on,you should hear a click that comes from the left side of the dash cowl.there is a solenoid there that turns on power to the dash.there is a voltmeter in the dash that registers battery power.does the meter show power? there is a neutral switch that must be working properly,it is on the right side of the transmission.then there is a relay under the hood that sends power to the starter.all these have to be working for your 4430 to start.

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