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Eric

03-06-2004 10:13:11




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I have an 1951 AC Model CA which I am trying to get running. The operators manual doesn't specify if the oil should be non-detergent. Any assistance would be appreciated.Thanks




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buickanddeere

03-07-2004 11:36:57




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 Re: Tractor Oil in reply to Eric, 03-06-2004 10:13:11  
Put detergant oil in the crankcase, unleaded in the fuel tank and non resistor plugs/wires on the ignition. Change the filter every couple of hours for the 1st 10-20 hrs. Get the coolant temp up to 180+F and lean out the mixture so new gunk doesn't form.



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Polish Mike

03-07-2004 09:09:04




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 Re: Tractor Oil in reply to Eric, 03-06-2004 10:13:11  
Hope I don't start an argument here, but that never stopped me before...

It's a bit of a misconception that detergent oil will loosen up 50 years of crud in your engine and immediately clog your filter & ruin your engine.

What detergent oil WILL do is keep contaminants (dirt, carbon from exhaust blow-by, etc.) in suspension better than non-detergent oil, giving your filter a much better shot at filtering them out.

Where you will have a problem in an older engine is when you try some of those motor flush products, or "run it with kerosene in the crankcase" like you hear people saying sometimes. That is definitely something you don't want to do with an older engine.

Bottom line, detergent oil is the way to go...Use it !

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RayP(MI)

03-06-2004 16:51:41




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 Re: Tractor Oil in reply to Eric, 03-06-2004 10:13:11  
Back when tractor was made, probably detergent oil wasn't an option. Most probably since then, previous owners have used detergent oil, so, you probably can too. Like Dave says, you probably should take oil pan and valve cover off, and clean up the sludge and dirt deposits, anyway. I have been known to take a power washer to some engine parts to clean them up. Need to be sure things are clear of water, and dry before buttoning them up. Also, be sure as many oil passages as you can find are clear of dirt. And change the oil filter! I've changed over to detergent oils with no problems that I can determine.

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Dave_Id

03-06-2004 10:28:54




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 Re: Tractor Oil in reply to Eric, 03-06-2004 10:13:11  
Do a search in the archives on this topic.. Many, many discussion about detergent vs non detergent. But the consensus has been, that if you had non detergent before, you should continue using it, unless you can pull the pan and valve cover and remove all the sludge. If you convert to a good 15w-40 oil, watch to see if it gets dirty right away, this will indicate that alot of sludge is in the motor. The biggest concern with runn nondetergent is sludge will get into some of the passages and plug it up.. I have never experienced this myself, but this has been what is said by the xperts.

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Mark

03-07-2004 08:55:15




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 Re: Re: Tractor Oil in reply to Dave_Id, 03-06-2004 10:28:54  
Agree completely (including choice of new oil) except my opinion: The sludge is a thick goo of petroleum, dirt, and engine combustion by-products deposited within the engine over years and nicely baked in.

I believe that the crud around the piston rings will come loose and you MIGHT start burning oil if your rings are worn out and masked by the crud....may not. May run better if you had a stuck ring and the detergent oil freed it up so that it could function properly.

As far as the majority of the rest of it, I think that if the detergent attacks it, it will be a thin layer at a time and doubt that any passages will become clogged. You could have a very rapid contamination (dirty)of your oil Dave mentioned, but I personally would try it before I tore into somehting....ain't broke, don't fix it....have gotten myself into more unnecessary jams by not following that simple rule. You will have watch the oil filter. If a lot of crud comes off fast it could plug the filter and you would have to change it frequently but the oil would have to be black before this became a problem....as I see it.

Good luck

Mark

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RAB

03-07-2004 10:44:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor Oil in reply to Mark, 03-07-2004 08:55:15  
Two things. First, 'Fix it before it breaks' is a much better rule - good maintenance is the way to go. Remember 'A stitch in time saves nine'
Second, remember the engines at most risk of oilways getting blocked are those with only bypass filters - the oil and crud could be circulating some time before it actually goes thru the filter. Most full flow filters have a bypass when the filter gets blocked, so the engine is protected with unfiltered oil in this (extreme) case. But most of these engines will have started on a lightly detergent oil at least,anyway.
Regards, RAB

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