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Farmer in the D

03-02-2004 11:34:50




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Just got back from the farm store in Central Wisconsin. Sign at a desk said" due to increased prices for steel, we must limit steel fence posts purchases to 200" Not sure how they relate directly but the junkers in this area are buzzing and are real busy all of a sudden. Steel is up here in the midwest. Word is overseas buyers are glad to be paying higher prices for US steel righ now.




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ErnieD

03-02-2004 16:41:25




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
According to Wall Street Journal 2 weeks ago steel was up about 60%, and it was all going to China. China is short of electric until they get the 3 Gorges dam built, then they can refine iron. We will be able to shut our plants down then.

Make me want to vomit every time i hear of jobs going over there. Sure glad they got Most Favored Nation Status.



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Slowpoke

03-03-2004 00:59:04




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 Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to ErnieD, 03-02-2004 16:41:25  
Uummmmm..... I thought it was going to Iraq...along with our plywood.



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Scott Green

03-02-2004 15:22:26




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
Japan has the best quality steel tubing. Far better than any other country in the world. Including the USA. As a matter of fact , USA steel tubing is one of the worst.



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rustyfarmall

03-02-2004 15:40:45




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 Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Scott Green, 03-02-2004 15:22:26  
That is just a bunch of crap and politics, USA made steel is every bit as good as the japanese steel.



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Scott Green

03-02-2004 16:14:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-02-2004 15:40:45  
Sorry rustyFarmall , I'm talking steel tubing. it's not a bunch of crap or politics. It's a fact! We use to run over 20,000,000 feet a year through an industrial boiler factory. Tubing from all over the world. I know which is best and which isn't. Japan far surpasses the rest of the world , even after the earth quake they had a while back. USA made tubing being one of the worst. We use to dread getting any steel tubing from the USA steel mills. We would fight it all the way through the plant.

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russ j

03-03-2004 16:02:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Scott Green, 03-02-2004 16:14:12  
hey scott wy dont you move to japan and play with your tubing if you like it so much



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rustyfarmall

03-03-2004 05:16:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Scott Green, 03-02-2004 16:14:12  
I am talking steel tubing also, I used to work at a ball bearing factory, japanese owned of course, and naturally they wanted to use products from their own country, that way even more of our US money would go over seas. Sometimes our supply would run short, and they would buy from US sources, naturally management would find all sorts of quality issues with this steel, but when you talked to the guys out on the floor who were actually running the screw machines, you got an entirely different story. It was much easier to produce consistent quality with the US made steel.

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Ford Man

03-02-2004 20:08:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Scott Green, 03-02-2004 16:14:12  
Scott,
I have to disagree with the quality of American tubing . While we didn't use as much tubing as you have , we used to make a product line for a customer out of DOM steel tubing . We never had a quality issue with any of the steel tubing we bought . All of it met the industry standards regarding OD,ID and wall thickness tolerances . All the material we bought was standard 1020 but had to be 85K min yield strength . Industry standard is in the low to mid 70K range but our supplier never had any problem finding the higher yield we needed. This meant the mills made better product than they had to . Yes, we had to have full mill test reports for all material and all of the material was made in USA .

We also made product that we made out of structural steel tubing . We had a problem with some material because of the internal weld bead . We called our supplier and they got a rep. from the tube manufacturer to come see us . Even though there is no industry spec for the weld bead , the manufacturer paid for the cost to have the weld bead ground to what we needed . That's what I call service ! We even had the tubing made in 22' length instead of the standard 20' lengths because we wound up with less scrap that way . There was no extra charge .

Try getting some foreign stell company to do that for you .

We also used a lot of large 1018 hex bar stock . Had to be 1018 because it gets welded . Very hard to find in 1018 in large sizes . Believe me , I had to scramble to get some material when our supplier ran out and I was only able to find 12 bars in the US . That is not a joke it is a fact . I spent 3 days on the phone to find that !

Guess where the hot rolled stock comes from ? Europe .

Lead time used to be 18-26 weeks . Who knows what it is now ! Once it gets to the States , then it is cold finished .

You buy from Japan , China , Russia or whoever .

I will stick with USA .

Ford Man

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hoover

03-02-2004 15:20:58




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
I work in a weld shop and the prices have gone up. There was a flyer going around at work and said steel prices have gone up 30%.If its still at work I'll bring it home and send a copy.



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Scott

03-02-2004 14:45:36




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
I just called the steel shop to see what channel prices were for building a trailer. The lady said she'd be glad to give me a quote, but they can't price it over the phone. She said she got a price the other day, and the mill would only guarantee that price for one day...talk about a screwed up market. I hope this all settles down soon!



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Farmall Don

03-02-2004 14:07:57




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
Im in south central wisconsin and my metal culvert supplier informed me yesterday of an increase in culvers of 18% due to the steel shortage. Time to utilize HDPE culverts.



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kyhayman

03-02-2004 12:38:16




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
Local Southern States Co-op went from $2.45 to $3.45 when they got in new stock of 6.5' steel posts. Woven wire fence went from $145 for solid #9 on 12" stay to $189.



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Bill Smith

03-02-2004 12:08:33




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 Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 03-02-2004 11:34:50  
I presume by what you said, the store has put a limit to 200 posts per customer. They must want to spread their current inventory out to numerous customers at current prices, and the only reason I can see is the price will go up when they get in another shipment of new posts due to higher steel prices. Anybody that uses alot of posts would likely catch wind of this and buy out every post the store has at the old price if the store didn't put a limit. Only reason I can see. Alot of talk on here lately about scrap iron going up. Wouldn't be supprized if it is going overseas. It just seems to me that are metal here has been better for years than overseas metal. Maybe they finally caught on and are buying our quality scrap.

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Dave_Id

03-02-2004 13:52:04




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 Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Bill Smith, 03-02-2004 12:08:33  
Before WWll, we were selling all our scrap metal to Japan, it hurt us then, and it will hurt us now to sell our scrap steel to China...



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mj

03-02-2004 16:18:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Hang on to that old machine in reply to Dave_Id, 03-02-2004 13:52:04  
You got that right!



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