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1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6

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brian norris

02-22-2004 06:46:34




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I have a Chrysler flathead 6 moter that im rebuilding. My father in law had it and gave it to me. It is blue and its sitting on just a small engine mount frame with a radiator, blue housing and a small 5-8 gallon gas tank. What was it on? What can I put it into. What would it be worth rebuilt? Please email me at guyforchrist777@yahoo.com.




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john d

02-23-2004 19:26:50




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 Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to brian norris, 02-22-2004 06:46:34  
My first car was a '53 Chrysler Windsor with a flat-head 6 in it. Even with the 4 speeds of the semi-automatic transmission, it was pretty sluggish. However, it would cruise at 80 mph all day long without complaint. I got rid of it to a rural mail carrier at 176,000 miles and he got two years out of it. Those are tough old engines!



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rickm

02-24-2004 19:20:33




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 Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to john d, 02-23-2004 19:26:50  
That's amazing! My first car was a 1954 Chrysler Windsor Deluxe 6 with the 265 engine . Gave $500 used and drove it for two years. Dad said I couldn't hurt it. Strong as a tank. Wasn't very impressive on the dating scene, though.



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Bus Driver

02-22-2004 16:08:11




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 Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to brian norris, 02-22-2004 06:46:34  
Chrysler and Desoto used flathead sixes in their cars into the 1950's, but as far as I know, those particular engines were not used for industrial/agriculatural applications. The Ind/Ag engines I have seen are based on the Dodge/ Plymouth engine- different from the Chrys/Desoto engines. Yale used them in forklifts, Massey used them in combines, etc. The ones before about 1953 were 217 cubic inches and the later ones until about 1960 were 230 cubic inches. Most parts interchange on these two engines. If needing parts for the 217, ask for 1950 Plymouth. If for the 230, ask for 1954 Plymouth. The oil pump on the side can be removed without removing the oil pan, but be aware that proper ignition timing is dependent on properly "timing" the oil pump first if the pump has been removed. Important info for rebuilding.

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rickm

02-22-2004 18:43:18




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 Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to Bus Driver, 02-22-2004 16:08:11  
Busdriver is right on. The main difference between the 217.8 and the 230.2 is the stroke. 4-3/8" vs 4-5/8" . The original engine out of my 1950 Love was a Dodge 218. (Block was beyond repair)- I found a P-26 (1955 Plymouth engine) in a Massey combine that I rebuilt and put in it.
Just love (no pun intended)the sound of them !!!



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Rusty Jones

02-23-2004 15:28:58




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 Re: Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to rickm, 02-22-2004 18:43:18  
Just be careful! The '33 Plymouth/ Chrysler engine had a different block casting! the starter mtg area on the older engines was different than the newer engines. Looks the same. NOT! We put a '37 engine in a '33 Dodge coupe! Had to park on a hill, because the starter wouldn't fit in the hole! Sold it with a dead battery! CHEAP!! The flat-head 6 of later years was a good engine! We had a 1954 Dodge Power Wagon field fire truck in F.Dep't. Still runs good! Privately owned now. RJ

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rickm

02-24-2004 10:41:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to Rusty Jones, 02-23-2004 15:28:58  
Yup, know what you mean. Another pesky little thing is the extra 'hump' for the water flow up near the pump on the later heads and blocks. Found out the hard way- a '49 head won't match up to a '55 block without plugging that extra hole !
rick



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Fern(Mi)

02-22-2004 15:48:38




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 Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to brian norris, 02-22-2004 06:46:34  
These Crysler industrial engines were used in either the Love or Friday tractors after WW2 (until big manufactors caught up with demand). These tractor were primarily used in orchards & grape arbors. High higher speed road gears than the Red or Greens.
These engines also saw a good deal of use in boat particularly pleasure. Very economical to run. And sturday enought to run forever.



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Bruce

02-22-2004 06:58:28




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 Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to brian norris, 02-22-2004 06:46:34  
Sounds like a Chrysler industrial engine. They were used on everything.... and in everything. Good engine, at least the ones I have had to deal with. I have found them in various odd tractors, such as Bombardiar Muskeg swamp tractors, old Dodge trucks, Tucker snowcats, and as aux. engines on power supplies, old welders, generators, etc... I would say they are common, and, my guess, a good one ( rebuilt and running well) worth about $200. Maybe more if you need it to restore a machine that had one.

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Dan

02-22-2004 07:43:38




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 Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to Bruce, 02-22-2004 06:58:28  
I think Bruce is right,in our old hospital that was in use until 1982, the emergency power supply was by way of a Chrysler industrial and it was blue.The one in my '47 parade Plymouth, an origial auto never repainted has a grey-colored flathead 6.God Bless.



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brian norris

02-22-2004 12:06:57




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 Re: Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to Dan, 02-22-2004 07:43:38  
hey thanks guys....if i have more questions ill come back.!!



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champspa

02-22-2004 16:04:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to brian norris, 02-22-2004 12:06:57  
weren't these engines used in the Custom,Wards and other 40's and 50's tractors



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rickm

02-22-2004 18:33:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathead 6 in reply to champspa, 02-22-2004 16:04:44  
I've found a variety of Chrysler-built engines in Wards, Customs, Rockols, Lehrs Fridays and Loves. Thing is, they are not all Chrysler. You be surprised how many Dodge and Plymouth engines show up. Not complaining, by any means, but unless you look real close at the serial numbers, you'd never know.



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ajax Implement

02-23-2004 06:56:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1933-1953 Chrysler flathea in reply to rickm, 02-22-2004 18:33:37  
There are also American build engines and the Canadian built engines, and a lot of parts will not interchange with engines of the same displacement, mainly in Oliver/Moline combines. There are also 251 and 265 cubic inch industrial engines. My neighbors had a straight 8 chrysler industrial and when I was in the Army we had some flat head six cylinder models that had over 400 cubic inch displacement

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