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putting oil in your diesel

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pat moore

02-09-2004 17:29:14




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When I first started driving, I ran a 318 detroit. We used to put a gallon of 30W non detergent in the fuel tanks when we fueled up. The old mechanic said it helped lubricate the pump and injectors. I've got a DB 885. I was thinking of doing this, but we now use 15/40 and it has all kinds of additives, so I'm wondering if it would be a good move or not. Looking forward to your replys.




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T_Bone

02-10-2004 00:26:17




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 Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to pat moore, 02-09-2004 17:29:14  
Hi Pat,

I always liked ATF type F used at 1qt/100gal #2D. Thats been used for the past 50yrs that I know of and lubes the injectors and pump very well. Also works well on my PSD.

Do a google search for (raw) rapeseed oil (SVO) and read the University studies on using SVO upto 25% with great results. Any thing over 50% SVO caused injector and ring gumming problems. SVO added to #1D at 2% of volume would equal the lube quality of #2D with sulfer.

Cummins on the OTR engines use a automatic engine oil change system with burning the used oil in the fuel with new make-up oil added thru another on board tank.

My son worked for a turff company for 8yrs that burned all used engine oil in there 400 piece diesel fleet. He was instructed to dump the eniter oil change contents in at one time without prefiltering. They had no extra engine problems doing this while he was there.

T_Bone

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Tom

02-09-2004 22:40:49




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 Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to pat moore, 02-09-2004 17:29:14  
Use a product made just for this task. You can even get them at Walmart, TSC, and most anywhere. One is Shell DFA (diesel fuel additive) and another is APS (american power service, I think in a white container) brand. These additives should be used in EVERY DROP of diesel that goes in your tractor, year round. They add lubrication, prevent rusting, remove water, prevent gelling, easier starting, raise the cetane rating of diesel by 4 numbers, keep upper chambers cleaner, burn cleaner, cleans injector nozzles, and all sorts of other benefits. One quart treats 50 to 100 gallons depending on how much you want to use. You can also get it in gallons. Worth every penny. I have NEVER had to have a pump worked on.

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Randy Kuhn

02-22-2004 17:11:08




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 Re: Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to Tom, 02-09-2004 22:40:49  
We alway's use "Marvel's Mystery Oil" in our Diesel and gas tanks. We add the recommended amount to the crank case's too! It probably costs a little more than the oil additives that you speak of, but it's worked well for us. We use it in our road trucks too!



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Niklass

02-09-2004 20:01:10




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 Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to pat moore, 02-09-2004 17:29:14  
We have put a little hytran < case> In the diesel seems to work for us .



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jdemaris

02-09-2004 19:54:58




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 Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to pat moore, 02-09-2004 17:29:14  
I can't say that I've personally run any controlled, scientific experiments on injection pump wear and fuel lubricosity. I do, however, have a background as a mechanic and pump rebuilder. Most of the rebuilding I did was for a Deere dealership, and I tried to keep up with the service bulletins we'd receive from Stanadyne/RoosaMaster, CAV, Bosch, and Diesel Kiki. I assume these companies DO engage in serious testing. There was general consensus on the following points: #1 The lubrication available in non-taxed fuel is adequate for all systems. #2 The lubrication in taxed fuel, i.e. low-sulfur CAN be problematic in distributor-type fuel injection pumps and premature wear can result. This wear can be offset by use of a lubricosity enhancer added to the fuel - or in some cases, the pump can have certain parts updated that are more durable. Stanadyne, for one, had (or has) what they called "arctic" rated repair parts. They were initially designed for pumps that are used in extremely cold environments where the fuel has a very high content of kerosene. Fuel with high kerosene content can cause the same problems as low sulfur taxed fuel. I did not read or hear of any concerns about lubricosity in regard to inline injection pumps; just rotary. I assume your Detroit would fall into the "inline" category since it uses plunger pumps with no camring, head, or rotor. Basically, an inline pump is a bunch of plunger pumps riding on a camshaft. Detroit uses rocker arms instead of a cam. I know a number of pump rebuilders, and they all have their own opinions, hypotheseses, and theories on causes of pump wear - but I don't believe any of them do their own testing. So, like many of us, we make guesses based on whatever information is available. I can say, that from hands-on experience, I've seen more metal wear - especially on distributor sections of pumps - on machinery that's been run on low-sulfur pump fuel. On the other side of the coin, though, I've seen more corrosion damage in pumps in industrial and farm equipment that was presumably run on heating oil/non-taxed off-road fuel. some believe that this is due to acid formed from water in the fuel, this water occurring because of the way off road fuel is often transported/handled (portable gas cans, pickup truck fuel tanks, etc.).

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buickanddeere

02-09-2004 18:10:26




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 Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to pat moore, 02-09-2004 17:29:14  
Crankcase oil is not intended to burn so an ashless formula isn't used. Two stroke oil is formulated to burn without leaving deposites that plug ports and make rings stick. There is no magic cheap quick easy fix vitamin to just swallow and become Mr Universe. There is no magic cheap quick easy fix "vitamin" fomula to dump into fuel tanks or crankcases either.



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aw shucks then

02-10-2004 11:21:58




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 Re: Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 02-09-2004 18:10:26  
what am i going to do with all these vitimens now?
thought for sure i'd startd to look like charlie atlas. you spoiled it for me. durn you. mudstuck



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Paul

02-09-2004 18:30:10




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 Re: Re: putting oil in your diesel in reply to buickanddeere, 02-09-2004 18:10:26  
Putting oil in your fuel is not needed. There is plenty of lubercation in diesel full already. The old trick of putting oil in your fuel to help lubericate the pump and injectors was done by the same guys who put a little gas in the fuel when it was cold to keep it from jelling. In doing this, they were working against themselves because gas is dryer than fuel. Which can causing "sticking" of the pump and injectors.

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