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Is a D-17 worth trading up to?

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Josh

02-05-2004 08:07:10

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I have a good Farmall M that has never let me down, and has very good rubber all the way around. I use it for general farm work, and a lot of hay making. An allis chalmers D-17 is coming up at auction. Would the D-17 be worth trading up to? I would have to sell the M to pay for the D-17. How much power is the D-17? Is the PTO really live, or is it like the earlier WD-45? It is a gas model. I have heard they use a lot of gas? Anything else to look out for? do you think that the D-17 has enough advantages to make trading up worth it? Thanks for the advice.

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JMS/MN

02-05-2004 22:25:29

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Gladly take a D17 over the M. What do you mean about the WD45 live power vs. the D17? Live power among all tractors means the same thing. WD45 had live power, so does the D17. M does not have live power, but I think SMTA has independent. D17 has about 53 pto hp. Fuel consumption is commensurate with power output, compared with WD45. I'd take a D17 over a standard M any day.

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Rob (PA)

02-05-2004 17:41:03

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Well, both tractors are good. I personally would pick the D-17 for the chores you want to do with it, especially haymaking. The PTO is not "technically" independent like the D10 and D12, but you can stop the forward motion of the tractor with the power director handle while the PTO continues to run. (great for baling) The M pto stops when you do. The D-17 seat is also a lot more comfortable to operate than the old "diving board" M seat, and the steering wheel on the D-17 is comfortable to turn and usually backed up by a power steering pump. You can adjust the D-17's width of the wheels in a snap by loosening the bolts and using 1st or reverse gear to move the rear wheel in or out. Properly weighted, the Allis will pull whatever the M will and more as it has one and a half times the horsepower (D-17 54 horsepower, M 36 horsepower). The Allis with a mounted plow will pull 4 bottoms, whereas the M has no means of mounting a plow and pulling a 4 bottom pull type plow would be quite a task with the M. Comparing the two tractors in my opinion is not really fair, because they are from two different eras (M, 40s or early 50s and D-17 1957 and later) and many innovations had come about in the years between. To close, I feel that the D-17 is a better tractor for ALL-AROUND farm work. To agree with a previous post, anyone who says the M is better all around is looking at color, not specifications and facts.

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wolfy

02-05-2004 16:51:57

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

If it is a Series IV D-17 with factory 3-pt & live hydraulics, it would be moving up. If you plan to use drag type implements, you'd miss the M. A D-17 wiyh 226 engine at 1650 rpm uses a lot more gas than a WD-45 with the 226 at 1400; even if you run the 17 at 1400; carbueration change. If the 17 is a Diesel-another plus for the orange. Short answer-try to own both.

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Roger

02-05-2004 15:38:35

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Keep the M, the ONLY decent AC ever made was a WD45, after that FORGET IT. I have never seen an AC that really impressed me

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JoeG

02-06-2004 03:48:54

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Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Roger, 02-05-2004 15:38:35

Sorry Josh, I mean to say Roger must have poor vision.

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JoeG

02-06-2004 03:39:24

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Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Roger, 02-05-2004 15:38:35

You must have poor vision Josh.

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Roger

02-07-2004 16:59:57

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Re: Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to JoeG, 02-06-2004 03:39:24

I don't think so!!! To quote my Grandfather " A lot of noise & no guts" I never could figure out on AC combines why they put the cylinder down in the feeder house, thresh the crop then put it all back together to carry it back to the seives & walkers for separation, that's what the cylinder & concave is SUPPOSED to do is separate!! stupid engineering if you ask me, then there is the roto baler,. Do you want me to go on? Orange junk!!!

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Mark in MO

02-05-2004 12:19:17

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Make the deal, you'll be happier with the D17 than the M. The Allis is also MUCH safer to use.
We've used D15's and D17's (all gas) for years and they just keep on running and running. Don't get me wrong, the M is a very good tractor but most I've ever operated were NF without fenders.
Sorry IH Guys, don't mean to offend, Just my O.
Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO

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Sean W

02-05-2004 12:04:32

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Depends on your uses. I have a Farmall H and a AC D-17 and I almost use them equally for all the jobs the farm has to offer. I prefer the H for plowing. With a trip plow there is no way to cheat like the D-17 would with the traction control. But I have the D-17 for shredding and it was easy to put a 3 point on a D-17 then the H. But my advice is look over your uses and then decide which tractor best suits your needs.

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John (C-IL)

02-05-2004 11:45:43

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Guess I need a few specifics on the D17. If it is a seriesIV then there is no contest. If the D17 is an early model then how you use the tractor would make a difference. Parts are readily available and are not that expensive. The D17 is rated at 52 hp. I own a D17IV and will tell you that the thing is a horse compared to the M that I have at work.

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Keith-OR

02-05-2004 11:43:04

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

I don't know much about either tractor But I do know that PULLING STUMPS with any tractor is looking for a funeral services for someone down the road. In my opinion anyone that would even attemped to pull stumps with a tractor, needs to put their name on his or her belt, so when they jerk their head out of their a## they will know who they are... Not trying to start a war over this just issue, just to use commonsense and be SAFETY MINDED when it comes to operating machinery

just my 2 cents

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Thank you God of safety

02-05-2004 14:32:30

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Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Keith-OR, 02-05-2004 11:43:04

Good Gawd, pulling stumps is a generic farmer lingo term for flat brute pulling power at the drawbar and I said pulling, YOU said jerking, I dont suppose there is any differance in your tractor safety manual? Besides please explain just how what is hooked to the unpowered end of a log chain is any more dangerous being a stump than anything else? Does the tractor know it is a stump and just flip over? Or does hooking to a stump automaticaly turn the operator into an idiot so he jerks the clutch? Or are you saying that a magic force comes from the ground and makes the tractor flip over no matter what the operator does? How many stumps have you pulled out? How many have you watched being pulled out? How many funeral services have you attended because the deceased got killed pulling stumps? OR have you tried to kill yourself in some foolish actions trying to do this yourself? Pull is pull, jerk is jerk, jerk. For crying out loud the guy asked a simple question to which I gave my slightly opinionated answer. For you to enter in here with that garbage is uncalled for. An idiot can easily kill himself with any tractor while doing absolutly nothing with it, how does that apply to PULLING out stumps?

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Keith-OR

02-05-2004 17:31:02

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Re: Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Thank you God of safety, 02-05-2004 14:32:30

I am sure glad you get so offensive to a simple fact of being safe. And it does not make much difference how many stumps you have pulled out with a tractor and not flipped it over. just had a friend get his backhoe stuck and sent his wife to get the other tractor to pull him out, AND she was spent her whole life a on the farm running tractors from DAY LITE TO DARK...well flipped the tractor over and killed her. So now her kids are without a moma and dad is spending a lot of lonesome heartaching nites alone....So now how would you like to tell those little kids pulling is just pulling won't kill your mom. Sorry a mighty sore spot with me on doing things with a tractor that it was not designed to do. I have lost 2 boys to stupid things both in thier early twenties, Equipment can be replaced being safe can be a life time!!!!! I hope that you never have to bury someone that is suppose to outlive you or explain to little kids that it was alright to be stupid when they will never again know the warm comforting hugs of their mom....God Bless You

May You be safe and live long.

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Butch

02-05-2004 11:00:25

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

I too owned both SMTA and D-17 and liked them both for different jobs. I noticed none of the posters with IHC handles answered your question about fuel economy and for good reason. Under light varying loads the '17 drinks like a bird compatred to the M, at least mine did. The D-17 PTO is not independent, but it is live via the hand clutch like the WD you mentioned. For general chore type work the D-17 gets the nod, for pulling stumps the M wins hands down. Plowing with implements matched to the tractors goes to the 17. Comfort for long hours in the field goes to the M. The D-17, like the M was one of the better efforts by the respective manufacturers, people that cuss either one are nothing but color blind.

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Ron 1456

02-05-2004 10:45:05

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

Personally I would rather have the "M". The D-17's were very popular around here a few years back and I know several people who owned them. Most dealers would gladly trade for one. The one comparison that I would make is that anything an 8N Ford could do the D-17 can do better.

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JimB

02-05-2004 10:14:31

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

No,one thing to consider is parts. Agco parts are on the high side,dealers not as plentiful as are CaseIH.

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Larry806

02-05-2004 09:59:13

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Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Josh, 02-05-2004 08:07:10

I've had both You would be trading DOWN not up from what I've saw

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cwc

02-05-2004 10:09:53

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Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Larry806, 02-05-2004 09:59:13

i ll have to agree with larry on this i've used both d17 is not nearly as good in mud or in the woods

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JeffC

02-05-2004 11:43:58

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Re: Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to cwc, 02-05-2004 10:09:53

While there might be some jobs the M is beter suited for, a D-17 is a lot more tractor. A D-17 is a full four plow tractor that is still in some demand for real farming activities. Comparing it to Ford "N" series is even more off the mark. A better comparison would be the D-17 and an Oliver 770.

It is also important to note that there were significant differences between the various series of D-17s. A late model (series III) from the mid-late 60's) D17 is a lot more tractor (hydraulics, pto) than the series I which came out in 1957. This is confirmed by the price the various models sell for.

Should you trade your M? Only you can really answer that. A D-17 is certainly worth more (late models commonly sell for $5000 plus), but you may really prefer the red. Both are good tractors, but I don't think an objective person would say that the M is a better tractor for all-around farm use.

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Ron 1456

02-05-2004 15:57:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to JeffC, 02-05-2004 11:43:58

I should have done a better job of explaining my remarks about comparing the D-17 to the 8N Ford. I have seen 8N's bring almost as much or even more than D-17's on auctions. I have a hard time understanding this because the D-17 is twice the tractor that the 8N is. The D-17 is just a better more powerful tractor and is almost as compact as the Ford.

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Rob (PA)

02-05-2004 17:08:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up to? in reply to Ron 1456, 02-05-2004 15:57:39

D-17 is in no way comparable to the size of a Ford N. A ford N will fit in a regular size garage.

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Ron 1456

02-06-2004 10:52:14

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is a D-17 worth trading up in reply to Rob (PA), 02-05-2004 17:08:32

The D-17 is a bit longer than the 8N but not much wider with the wheels set for 30 inch rows. Friend of mine had one years ago and just shortened the muffler a little so he could get in some low doors. He used a Gnuse scoop on the back of the D-17 to clean out hog barns. The 8n does not compare to the D-17 but the D-17 is just as handy as the 8N plus you get a lot more tractor for the same money.

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