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Walker

01-27-2004 18:46:10




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I have a delco 3-brush with regulator. It will charge 10 amps, but only at very high engine speed. I rebuilt the gen and have a new regulator. Why will it only charge at very high engine RPM?




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Bob M

01-28-2004 07:59:34




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 Re: Generator in reply to Walker, 01-27-2004 18:46:10  
Walker - Problem could be one of several possible causes:

1 - May be the battery is fully charged and the regulator is simply doing it's job. If a voltmeter is placed across the two battery posts and it indicates 7.2 volts or higher while the ammeter shows 10 amps, there is no problem!

2 - High resistance in the wiring between the generator "A" terminal and the battery. Use an accurate DC voltmeter and take a voltage drop measurement between the generator "A" terminal and the ungrounded battery post with the engine running at full RPM. A reading greater than about 1/4 volt says there's excessive resistance in the circuit. Look for bad connections, undersized wiring, etc.

3 - 3rd brush set to low. Readjust it to it's maximum current position - so 3 commutator bars are showing between the 3rd brush and the nearest fixed brush. Keep in mind most 3 brush tractor generators are only designed for about 14 amps max output. Higher output can cause overheating and damage.

4 - The armature has one or more shorted or open windings. If the generator gets hot to the touch after running about 15 minutes, or if the enamel insulation on the armature windings appears baked/burned, the armature has an internal short. An open winding can be found by probing the commutator with an ohmmeter. Either condition requires rewinding or replacing the armature.

5 - (long shot...) Could be a high resistance ground at the regulator.

Note to Pappy - 6 volt IHC tractors built after about 1949 or 1950 use a 3 brush generator with a 2 element voltage regulator in place of a cutout. Pretty sure other tractor builders using Delco electrics did the same.

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Walker

01-28-2004 11:06:04




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 Re: Re: Generator in reply to Bob M, 01-28-2004 07:59:34  
Thanks for all the answers to my questions. One
more, if the armature passes a growler test is it always O.K. ?
The gen is from a Super A and has the 2 unit reg and no adjustable 3rd brush



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Bob M

01-28-2004 12:04:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Generator in reply to Walker, 01-28-2004 11:06:04  
Walker - The later production (mid 1953? and beyond) 3 brush generators had a non-adjustable 3rd brush.

We've got three '53 Farmall "Supers" with the original Delco generators. Two of them have an adjustable 3rd brush generator; the other does not.



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Alberta Mike

01-28-2004 09:22:29




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 Re: Re: Generator in reply to Bob M, 01-28-2004 07:59:34  
You are probably right about that (which I didn't know) but one of those coil towers in the regulator is actually a cutout relay (like the single coil towers on the older 3rd brush generators). I think the other one controls voltage and not amps (but I might be wrong on that part).



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Bob M

01-28-2004 11:58:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Generator in reply to Alberta Mike, 01-28-2004 09:22:29  
Your right about the two element regulators Mike! One of the relays is the cutout. The other is the voltage regulator. However the voltage regulator in these units also has a rudimentary amps limiting function built into it.



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gene b

01-28-2004 04:54:44




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 Re: Generator in reply to Walker, 01-27-2004 18:46:10  
Adjust the third brush for more output but 10amp is plenty and are you sure you have the right reg for your generator the regulators are not all the same and also the gens arent either check the number on the gen and go from there.



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Pappy

01-27-2004 21:03:47




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 Re: Generator in reply to Walker, 01-27-2004 18:46:10  
What tractor is this being used on? Most of the three brush generators that I have used use a cut-out instead of a regulator. Please explain!



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