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Controversy!!

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John P

01-19-2004 04:45:44




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Hi, I was wondering about a controversial question on this board.

If you leave in your coolant heater for too long (overnight) will you "cook" your rings?

Everyone seems to have a different view on this and it would be nice to get to the bottom of it.

Thanks- John P




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Harrison

01-19-2004 18:27:32




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
John,That is a fairy tale told by a story teller.



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Kurt : Ky

01-19-2004 17:50:41




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
we leave are trucks plugged all the time at work they start easier in the morning. my own truck and tractor are plugged in right now



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Shane

01-19-2004 09:25:10




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
It seems to me that the local fire department leaves their trucks plugged in year around. This way when you start the truck and are hammering on it within seconds the whole engine is already warm and you are less likely lose an engine. Maybe they have oil tank heaters rather than water jacket heaters? They also have an air supply hooked to them so the air tanks are always full and you don't have to wait for the pressure to build while somebodys house is roasting.

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John S-B

01-19-2004 19:24:37




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 Re: Re: Controversy!! in reply to Shane, 01-19-2004 09:25:10  
John, That's probably not a block heater thats plugged in. Most fire trucks and medic trucks are plugged in for a trickle charger and for other chargers for walkies,suction units, cordless tools, etc. Not to say they never do that but usually not, at least I've never seen it in Oh.



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BJ

01-19-2004 08:46:55




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
NO. we leave them plugged in all winter with no problems, if you are on a set schedule a timer would be nice for cost savings on electrictity but a lot of times we have to be ready to go on short notice so they stay plugged in all the time



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RAB

01-19-2004 08:36:47




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
First - you need a wet sleeved engine. Second - no. Third - a very few failures may be attributable to differential heating (on one side of the liner) leading to mechaical failure at the seals, but I think unlikely..... .
Regards,RAB



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buickanddeere

01-19-2004 07:02:58




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
Old wives tale.



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mrs buickanddeere

01-19-2004 07:05:22




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 Re: Re: Controversy!! in reply to buickanddeere, 01-19-2004 07:02:58  
Who you callin old? What did I tell you about all that old iron?



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mad

01-19-2004 12:17:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Controversy!! in reply to mrs buickanddeere, 01-19-2004 07:05:22  
let's leave mothers out of this.
Some mothers do know more than than snot nosed iresponsible kids that think they know it all.



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buickanddeere

01-19-2004 11:38:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Controversy!! in reply to mrs buickanddeere, 01-19-2004 07:05:22  
But that's what you Mother said would happen to the rings. And she is older that either of us. And, and, and..... .....SSSSLLLLAAAAAPPPPP . Yes dear,I'll go back out to the shed dear.



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Fern(Mi0

01-19-2004 06:09:38




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
From experience starting in Fall I preheat the diesels a 1/2 hr or so. This time of year with decending temps, periods of heating get longer. An hr for a sheltered tractor, an hr`n'half or more for an exposed machine to the wind.
Iknow some folks around here leav'em pluged it at their tractor hitching postaround the clock for convenience. Theyy've also got some herendous utility bills. This my observations.
Do what ever turns your crank.

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paul

01-19-2004 06:01:42




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
Only thing you are cooking is your wallet - a timer is a pretty good investment to save some $$$.

--->Paul



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jdemaris

01-19-2004 05:26:41




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
Controversy? Sounds wacky to me, assuming you're talking about electric heaters and not propane. Last I heard water boiled off at 220F, and with antifreeze maybe 240F? I don't think it's even remotely possible unless you're using an arc-welder for a blockheater. Tank heater shuts off at a certain high temperature. If it malfunctions, it overheats and burns out (I've had many burn out). If, you have one that's actually heavy duty enough to withstand its own overheating, and boiled all the water out of the engine that it was touching - than it would have to burn out - having no physical contact with the engine once the coolant was gone - or just sit there and heat air. As for the little frost plug heaters that don't have thermostats - I've never seen one that had enough wattage to hurt anything.

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Lunchbox

01-19-2004 11:00:51




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 Re: Re: Controversy!! in reply to jdemaris, 01-19-2004 05:26:41  
I musta heard different.Thought water boiled at 212 F???



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Bob

01-19-2004 11:59:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Controversy!! in reply to Lunchbox, 01-19-2004 11:00:51  
Most cooling systems the boiling point of pure water is higher because they are pressurized systems. If they just have water in the rig then they better leave it plugged in all the time.



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Russ

01-19-2004 04:58:54




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 Re: Controversy!! in reply to John P, 01-19-2004 04:45:44  
No!



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