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Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel

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Red Tom

01-15-2004 16:57:32




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Ray, Your reply re: 6.5l tune up. mine was just done 8 new injectors(you can't calibrate must replace) at 40,000 miles, cost $800. I complained and got half back from GM. Now my truck smokes on start up and gets same mileage. But this is my point. Add this to the approx 3,500$ for diesel opt.and my first 40k miles have been pretty expensive. Also this is the second time I have been here with this discussion and I have to say this time and last time probably totaled 75 trucks discussed and not ONE person said "My 6.5l Chevy gets..." I never see them on the road, at shows, auctions, or the Rv parks. If they all are like mine its no wonder. And incidentally all the 6.5 pumps are bad. GM even extended the warranty on them, but since my truck is low miles this warranty will run out before my pump fails, which it will. thanks for your reply

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Red Tom

01-17-2004 09:50:37




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 Re: Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel in reply to Red Tom, 01-15-2004 16:57:32  
First of all, thanks for your input. Its nice to see we can all be civil. Theres no doubt my dealer is sticking it to me, but with an impending pump failure I want to make sure I have all my warranty complaints in order. I worked at a GMC dealer in the 80's and I saw many claims denied because they were never previously addressed or were tinkered with at home, both grounds for refusal. I know the military used this engine family which is one reason I thought it to be good. I have an old 6.2 with 250,000. Still the fact remains that they aren't as popular or in my opinion as powerful or as good as Ford or Dodge. Pickup any Swapper/Trader and you won't find any 6.5's but lots of others. Lets not start saying its because they're all unhappy so they're selling. I recall that a year or two after I bought new (97 or 98) I got aletter from GM offering a rebate on a new 6.5 that "didn't have the problems of 96...better heads, no overheating, etc..." and mine does run HOT. When I showed the letter to the dealer and aksed about the apparent problems they said "what do you care you have 100,000 powertrain warranty". I stand by my observations at auctions, shows and RV parks. You just don't see them for a reason. One of my friends dad bought a used one this year and took his 28ft 5th whl to Florida. He's not even going to bring the truck back, he's trading it off in Fla. Hes had a Dodge and Ford before. Thanks, sorry about the ranting

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Ray,IN

01-15-2004 19:28:33




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 Re: Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel in reply to Red Tom, 01-15-2004 16:57:32  
I now know you are trying to conform to the warranty requirements. The sad fact is, brand dealerships do not employ the best diesel mechanics nor do they train them nearly as well as indepentent diesel repair shops. I only use and independent shop, in fact this same shop is contracted to perform diesel engine work for most of the (insert brand) dealerships around here. This shop is licensed by Cummins, Ford, John Deere, Chevrolet, well the list is long. What I'm saying is you may well benefit from visiting a large independent shop, explaining your problem and asking what they can do for your engine.

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Harrison

01-17-2004 14:32:14




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 Re: Re: Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel in reply to Ray,IN, 01-15-2004 19:28:33  
I agree independent diesel shop is the way to go.Franchised Dealerships have gotten too GREEDY to pay top quality mechanics,labor rate used to be $30 per labor hour locally in 1988 and the mechanic got half with a $250.gaurantee.Now the labor rate is $62 per labor hour and the mechanic still get $15.-$18. with no gaurantee. Then the dealers hire all who "claim" to be mechanics,so everyone makes 30k or less.Take out tool bill weekly and $100.weekly for family coverage ins.(that the dealer pockets $30 of for admin.)And factor in the winter months when you work all week (45 hours)and carry home a stub for 9 hrs flat-rate pay less taxes and ins. you only owe the company $2.43 for letting you work there while they are "a little slow".I understand why alot of very good ASE Mastertechs with 20 plus years of constant schooling are starting over in other fields that offer retirement and cheaper ins. and no where near the physical and mental demands of working on the high tech cars and trucks being built today. Again I think if you want quality work look to an independant as very few quality mechanics remain in the dealerships mostly parts changers.No offense intended for the few quality mechanics left in dealerships.

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jdemaris

01-15-2004 19:12:52




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 Re: Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel in reply to Red Tom, 01-15-2004 16:57:32  
The injectors can be calibrated, rebuilt (with new tips) or bought new. Last set I bought cost $36 each and took me three hours to put them in. As far as seeing 6.2s and 6.5s on the road, I see lots of them, and I've got four myself. If you watch the news on TV and see shots of our military in HUMVEES, then you're seeing more G.M. 6.5s because that's what powers them.



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6.5

01-15-2004 17:46:22




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 Re: Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel in reply to Red Tom, 01-15-2004 16:57:32  
first of all I hope they greased it when they bent you over the counter. my 6.5 has 145000 on it gets 18mpg and it goes everywhere the ford dodge or whatever goes just fine. any engine will at sometime have some sort of a problem as they are MACHINES and it costs to fix it.



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Bob

01-15-2004 17:26:03




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 Re: Ray, IN ,re: 6.5l diesel in reply to Red Tom, 01-15-2004 16:57:32  
The injectors can be calibrated if necessary by adding or removing shims. At $38.00 each for new ones often they are just replaced. So you paid the shop almost $500.00 labor for a couple of hour job to replace the injectors.

Have you priced a set of HEUI injectors for a Powerstroke, and labor to install them? It's not pretty, either, and 'Stroke owners are faced with this after 100,000 to 150,000 miles.

I'm not trying to start a brand-bashing thread here, just bringing up the point if you're gonna own a fuel burner, you better have deep pockets when it needs repairs. (And yes, I own several of them of assorted brands.)

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