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OT-diesel pickups (again)

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Dave 2N

01-13-2004 08:14:49




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Have followed these discussions with great interest. I have no brand preference and will not be buying a diesel pickup; just some observations.

Past posts are about even on the for and against re: Ford Powerstrokes. Dodge/Cummins seems to get a lot of "thumbs up." The new Chevy/GMC Duramaxes seem to get fairly good marks too but are really still too new for any definitive statements.

Back to the Powerstrokes: there seems to be a slight negative bias against them. Neighbor who was a logger had one he kept about six months and traded for a Ram 2500 Cummins. My youngest son is a service adviser for an auto group that sells them all-Dodge, Chevy, and Ford; he is a little negative about Powerstrokes.

Now-on Sunday, Jan. 11, my wife and I left Binghamton, NY, taking I-81 south to below Roanoke, I-77 to Charolette, I-85 to Atlanta and I-75 to Tampa. Being the keen, observant, sharp, intelligent and interested genius that I am, I watched for diesel pickups all the way down. Folks, the Powerstrokes I saw while out there on this little interstate jaunt outnumbered the Dodges and the Chev/GMC's at about a 10-1 ratio, maybe even higher than that. Even talked to a couple of people with Powerstrokes at rest areas and they loved them. There's a BUNCH of Powestrokes out there! No brand war issues here, just reporting to you what I saw and wondereing about what I have perceived as an anti-Powerstroke bias in previous discussions. If anyone thinks I'm wrong, just go ahead and say so: it woiuld probably be the first time of been wrong in my 60 years but I'll try to deal with it.
Have a good day and be safe.

By the way-will be heading over to the Florida Flywheelers Swap Meet on Thursday; (had to bring tractors into this discussion somehow!!)

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Puller504

01-14-2004 05:50:28




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
I ve got another observation for you. Am bored sitting around recovering from knee surgery (again) and I did a diesel 4x4 search on E-Bay here in Ohio. 1 diesel-powered Chevy and a few Cummins-powered Dodges within 200 miles from home! How many Navistar-powered Fords could one want? There were 25 Fords for sale per each Chevrolet, I did a search for used 1990-2000 pickups. I'm not biased (much) but the Tradin' Times tells the same story. My trusted mechanic tells me that the Dodge truck's braking system is inferior to either the Chevrolet or Ford, though. Good food for thought! Don

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butch

01-13-2004 18:40:21




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
Bought my first diesel 7.3 powerstroke 95 1 ton crewcab 5spd almost 2 yrs ago and I had enough problems but I think it was well used and not maintained.I finally sold after 3500 more work which it ran pretty good then,and I must say it was a good puller and Im a chevy man.Looking for another one but will consider chevy,dodge,or ford again but will watch for lower mileage and all maintence records.

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Ray

01-13-2004 17:51:15




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
I think your confusing the two Powerstroke
engines.The old (not available anymore V8
Powerstroke) is a good engine.The new 6 cylinder
powerstroke engine has had a lot of problems,
forcing ford to buy back over 600 trucks under
the lemon law. International is sewing ford over
breach of contract for like 74 million in engine developement cost.



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Bus Driver

01-13-2004 16:06:33




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
My casual observation is that of the Diesel pickups, the Fords outnumber the others by quite a bit- this is just looking at what is on the road, no other information. I saw some advertising blurb to the effect that of new Diesel pickups being sold, the Duramax has 30% of the market. Either I am not recognizing the Duramax when I see one, or this blurb is wrong. I believe I rarely I see a new Chevy diesel. Is my observation just wrong? I have no preference among these brands. I think I see more Fords, followed by Dodge and then Chevy. A question I have: Are all the new Fords now the 6 liter or does Ford still offer the 7.3? Ford offers both?

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Dave Grubb

01-13-2004 16:54:58




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Bus Driver, 01-13-2004 16:06:33  
The 7.3 is done. Only the 6.0 is now available. It had some teething problems when it came out but seems to be pretty well sorted out. Only time will tell if it will be the equal to the 7.3.
I have driven one--I was not overly impressed with low end torque but once it is going it runs strong.
Not sure of the numbers but it is higher toque and HP than the 7.3. I have at least another 150K before I need to think about the details.

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deerhound

01-13-2004 15:30:15




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
All I know is that when you move up to a F650 chassis, Ford will sell you the same Cummins that you can get in a Dodge 2500. They want more money for the Cummins than for a Powerstroke with comparable HP.



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Powerstroke 7.3 QUESTION?

01-13-2004 10:38:12




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
O.K.- Have any of you Ford upgraded your exhaust system, and installed a chip? What does this do for towing power, and fuel economy?



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Dr.EVIL

01-14-2004 12:30:03




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Powerstroke 7.3 QUESTION?, 01-13-2004 10:38:12  
I just installed a LUK clutch in My '96 PSD,,, and the Kitty died while it was in the shop, straight 3-1/2" pipe after the OEM downpipe to just ahead of the rear wheel. Compared to the Kitty I think it revs a little better from 1500 to 2000 when running up thru the gears, but MPG is still the same as before, 18-19 winter & summer. No chip, not even a K&N filter in My truck. Most single axle semi tractors I've driven haven't had 200 HP so I sure don't need over 210-220 in my empty pickup! If You do You need a bigger truck!

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dhermesc

01-14-2004 05:43:33




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Powerstroke 7.3 QUESTION?, 01-13-2004 10:38:12  
One thing to remember that with a chip that "adds" a 100 hp you also need to add a exhaust temp gauge. One of the problems you then encounter is the exhaust temp gets to high when using the extra horses when pulling. The sales man we where talkin to actually RECOMENDED not using the higher power setting when pulling. Asked whats the point if you can't use it when you need it? He didn't have much to say.

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D.L.

01-13-2004 17:01:03




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Powerstroke 7.3 QUESTION?, 01-13-2004 10:38:12  
check Gale Banks engineering... www.bankspower.com... had one of their "powerpack" systems on my 460 gasser! It was awesome! Their systems for diesels are even better!!!



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Colby

01-13-2004 13:48:03




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Powerstroke 7.3 QUESTION?, 01-13-2004 10:38:12  
Had a '94 Cummins 3/4 ton and loved it. Wasn't too crazy about the Dodge but got used to it. Got ready to trade and drove a new 2002 Dodge H.O. Cummins. Really did not like the truck. Bought a Ford dually and liked the way it drove and rode. Hated the engine. (These are all standard transmissions. ) Put a chip and exhaust on the Ford and it feels like a hot rod and has much better low end than it did. Not six cylinder torque, but good. Has good throttle response now and gets 2 mpg better than stock.

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Whose chip?

01-13-2004 14:16:34




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 Re: Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Colby, 01-13-2004 13:48:03  
and- did you go with 4" or 5" exhaust? Thanks-



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JR

01-13-2004 10:03:51




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
I wonder What the real truth is. I wonder if some where is listed diesel truck sales for 2003 in all of North America. This will tell use what people are buying. It would be fun to compare the 2003 sales year to the 1995 sales year where diesel started to become realy popular, when the power-stroke first came out.

Any one know where we could find data like this ?? care to share.



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Kevin from Pa

01-13-2004 09:52:38




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
My 94 Powerstroke still runs great after 155,000 miles. Pulls tractors all summer. Would'nt want an automatic one, though. I know lots of people that had trouble with them. I know alot of people really happy with their Dodges, too.



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Chris Brown

01-13-2004 16:40:14




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Kevin from Pa, 01-13-2004 09:52:38  
I have a friend with an earlier cummins with over 500,000 miles. It has never had an overhaul,it did have an injector pump and a valve job but the block has never been touched. It still runs with a shot of ether to start off with and it is pretty whipped but it runs! "Yea thats right a half million miles" The truck ran from Sanbernadino,Ca to St Louis,Mo. for most of it's miles.



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rustyfarmall

01-13-2004 09:29:53




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
Another issue that has not been addressed in the fuel mileage discussions is the gear ratio of the rear axle. If your truck has something like a 3.54 axle ratio, it will get better fuel mileage than the same truck with a 4.11. So before any of you say, My Dodge with the cummins gets better mileage than your ford with the powerstroke, check out the axle ratios. It makes all the differance in the world.

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Jeff

01-13-2004 20:11:24




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to rustyfarmall, 01-13-2004 09:29:53  
Gonna add mine in here also. I have had both ford and Dodge ( still do as a matter of fact) We had a 96 one ton with 4:11 gears and Powerstroke. have a 96 Dodge now with Cummins and 4:11 gears. The dodge will get about 2-4 mpg better than the Ford did. Have a 3/4 ton ford also with 3:73"s? Not sure exactly the ratio but I know they are not 4:11's. I get about 18-19 with it compared to about 15-16 with the Dodge. Loaded gets less on both as normal.

Now we have been Dodge people for going on35 yrs now but I have to admit the Fords to ride andrive better. I think that might be why you see more Powestrokes on the road plus there are people who will drive one brand or another no matter what. The Cummins will pull a load alot better or should i say hold a steady speed better from what i have seen but neither one is a bad puller at all. Just went and got an Oliver 1800 with the 3/4 ton Ford a few weeks ago and averaged about 12 mpg (200 mile round trip with empty trailer going up) I had to down shift a couple of times going up some hills that he Dodge would have pulled good but I was still impressed with the Powerstroke. OH and the one ton Powerstoke, I brought a Oliver 88 back through this same road about two years ago and dang if the 3/4 ton with higher gears pulled better!!! Go figure!

On a flat road the difference isn't alot between them but in the hills that 6 cylinder torque is better.

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Bill in Colo

01-13-2004 09:27:49




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
comments from Altituded. Gas trucks in the intermountian area are a thing of the past, the main reason is that diesels are turbocharged. the power differances becomes much more apparent when a lot of your driving is above 6000ft. As for numbers Ford , Dodge and Gm. One negative I've heard on the Fords is that no one is building an exhaust brake yet for the new ones. As for durability their are several of each {dodge and fords}still going at past 300,000 Duramax hasn't been around long enough yet. Most of the old Gm,s were considered junk

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Mike (WA)

01-13-2004 08:24:27




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
My sense of the recent threads (didn't count responses) was a bias in favor of 7.3 litre, but definitely against the new 6.0 liter. As the old hotrodders used to say (and still do), there ain't no substitute for cubic horsepower. Ford is trying to get too much out of the new, smaller dispacement engine.



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Van

01-13-2004 08:21:36




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 Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave 2N, 01-13-2004 08:14:49  
The high number of powerstrokes could also be regional, around this part of the country Dodge is king.
Van



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Dave Grubb

01-13-2004 08:36:37




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 Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Van, 01-13-2004 08:21:36  
While I drive a Power Stroke---and love it---there very definitely is a regional component to this.
The last time I saw the sales figures Ford was pretty far ahead followed by Dodge---nothing like 10:1 as I recall.



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swamp yankee

01-13-2004 12:05:34




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 Re: Re: Re: OT-diesel pickups (again) in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-13-2004 08:36:37  
I have a 4" exhaust, cyclone Fan, and an 80HP chip in my Crew Cab 7.3 with 98k on same. Trans. has amsoil and a much larger than stock pan for tranny fluid. I have not encountere any problems except for front end (Ball joints, 4wd bearings and a pitman arm bushing.



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