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Clint

01-05-2004 20:17:32




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When I plug in the block heater on my 9700 Ford I can hear water boiling inside the block is this normal or is it gettin too hot? thanks




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RWK in WI

01-06-2004 17:05:16




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 Re: block heater in reply to Clint, 01-05-2004 20:17:32  
Something to remember - yes, the heater is getting the coolent hot on the element and that heat causes the coolent to circulate in the block, - BUT it can't overheat because if the coolent gets hot enough the engine thermostat will open and then the heat will go to the radiator. Any radiator will disapate more heat than any heater will produce.
The thermostat type save electricity but all are safe to use.

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Allan

01-06-2004 06:20:41




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 Re: block heater in reply to Clint, 01-05-2004 20:17:32  
Hi Clint,

Yep, when she's cookin' you can hear 'em boil. When the temp gets high enough, the thermostatic switch will snap and the heater will shut itself off.

As the the temp falls, the switch will then turn the unit on again.

They cycle; this is why it is cheaper in the long run to just leave the things plugged in if you use the tractor a lot.

Another item: The most common reason why these things fail is their cord. For some reason that cord doesn't last as long as the heaters do.

Stay warm,

Allan

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Phil in MS

01-06-2004 06:46:07




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 Re: Re: block heater in reply to Allan, 01-06-2004 06:20:41  
Allan,

Do all these units have themosats? I use this type of heat but we always unplug and then plug in an hour or so before we need tractor. Mine is on a MF255 and was purchased through a former MF dealer that still carries MF parts. Don't recall if mine is a MF brand or not. Had one on for 10 or so years and lost the pigtail one day. Had to get another unit as the new ones used a different plug for the pigtail. New one cost about $30 so it was no big deal. What would I look for to determine is it had a thermosat?

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Allan

01-06-2004 08:56:43




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 Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Phil in MS, 01-06-2004 06:46:07  
Phil,

If you have the patience to stand and listen to it cycle, you can hear it come on and go off.

I'm 60 years old and I've never ran across an engine heater that did not cycle..... tank or block heater. They work just like a plumbing heat-tape works.

Maybe some of those old head-bolt type heaters, dipstick heaters or oil pan pads were on continually, but I'm not old enough to comment on those. And, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :>)

I plugged in the frost plug heater on my old pickup this morning and it cycles just like a clock. You can hear it come on and you can hear it shut off.

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Allan

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Bob

01-06-2004 14:19:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Allan, 01-06-2004 08:56:43  
Allen, I have a whole shelf full of new block heaters of a couple of different makes. They are just a simple Chromalux tube heater, and atachable cord. There is NO thermostat, nor is there room for one.



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bng9_2000

01-17-2005 14:17:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Bob, 01-06-2004 14:19:41  
Do you have a block heater that will fit a 58 Dexta 144 ci. I got one from Car Quest PN 78162, which is 1 1/4" but it will not fit because part of it hits the top of the engine. I removed the freeze plug on right hand side. Thanks

Bernie



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buickanddeere

01-06-2004 11:19:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Allan, 01-06-2004 08:56:43  
The tank heaters have overtemp thermostats to cut power until the temp drops as fresh cool water flows in by convection from below. Some also have a one way check valve to prevent backflow when the engine is running. The ordinary everyday block frostplug heater has no thermostat. The cycling you hear is a pocket of steam being formed,rising as bubbles and collasping as they hit cooler liquid/metal above. Then you hear the steam being replaced with cool water over the hot element. The frost plug heater usually has a shorter life as it doesn't cut out at high temps and the element is small for it's power rating.

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John K

01-06-2004 11:40:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to buickanddeere, 01-06-2004 11:19:09  
I agree with you, I have yet to see a block heater that fits into a frost plug that has a thermostat.



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Bob

01-06-2004 06:56:51




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 Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Phil in MS, 01-06-2004 06:46:07  
Most remote or "tank" heaters have thermostats.

Few, if any "block" heaters have themostats.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but the above scenario covers 99% of engine heater.



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Phil in MS

01-06-2004 07:05:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Bob, 01-06-2004 06:56:51  
My "block heater" was installed in the side of the engine block by removing a freeze plug or other plug. The heater looks like a small electric stove eye. Does that sound like a block heater as described?



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Bob

01-06-2004 07:09:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: block heater in reply to Phil in MS, 01-06-2004 07:05:40  
Yes. The "tank heaters" are remote mounted, and plumbed into the system with heater hose.



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buickanddeere

01-06-2004 05:32:15




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 Re: block heater in reply to Clint, 01-05-2004 20:17:32  
It's a weenie little heating element with 500W to 800W power. It will locally boil a few bubbles around the element, more if the antifreeze is weak. As long as there is convection flow of coolant through the block/head, do't worry about it. When there is no sound, it's the time to get concerned.



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