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How to clean the inside of a engine?

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Mr. Clean

01-05-2004 18:54:50




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I got a IH 1066 and the engine oil will not stay clean very long after changing it. I took the valve cover off and it was very dirty. Thought about taking the oil pan off and cleaning it and see if this would help. Looks the inside of the engine is dirty or sutty. Is there any way of cleaning it with some kind of chemical or something to get some of the crud out of it with taking it apart? Thanks

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Bob Clark

01-08-2004 12:56:41




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
If it's a diesel you might try this, I used to do it all the time to my 4010 but I'm sure it will drive some people up the wall.

At every regular oil change drain the oil as normal. Then fill it back to the normal fill line with diesel fuel. Start it up at an idle and let it run 5 minutes. Do not run faster than a few hundred rpm's above idle and Do not put it under any kind of load.

Drain the oil(diesel fuel) change the filter and refill with oil as normal.

The biggest problem with this is the extra 5 gallon or so of oil to dispose of. There are some good shop furnaces that would thrive on this for fuel.

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Tom

01-06-2004 09:58:08




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
Get it hot and change oil and filter. Use Mobil Delvac 1300 15W40 diesel oil and a good filter. Change it every 40 hours for 2 or 3 cycles; then revert to changing oil and filter every 100 hours - NO LONGER. I bought a 20 year old diesel tractor and shortly after I added one quart of Gunk Engine Cleaner and let it idle for 10 minutes, then drained, new oil and filter; ran it about 8 hours, drained, new oil and filter. That was over one year ago. Now the oil stays clean looking for about 40 hours after change. I change every 80 to 100 hours.

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Allan

01-06-2004 06:27:57




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
Mr Clean,

That diesel oil is supposed to be black.

It is the nature of the beast and comes from the suspension of carbon in the oil. Perfectly normal condition.

Allan



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John A

01-06-2004 04:06:46




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
Mr Clean, I agree with the others with the addition of....A tractor with high hp like a 1066 change the oil on a regular 100 hr basis. Only if you go with an additional by-pass filter will you streach that (Laid In Stone) 100 hr mark out to what that manufacture says. While I was in the panhandles we had a JD 8640 articulated 4x4 250 hp tractor. Regular change was 100hrs after factory update with a by-pass system the change interval went to 200 hrs. That 250 mark seems really too big. IMO....Use Delo 400 15x40 in that 1066. I use it in my 966.....No problems.
Question...Mr Clean?.....You said the inside was dirty after you pulled the valve-cover. Sludge? Build up that would have to be scrapped of. Or was it basicly clean with the oil looking dirty.
For you could remome the pan...and wash out the bottom side...but that opens up a hole new can of worms once that is done. Do you check the rods and mains and see if it would be nessary to Run-The -Bottomside while you are there?
There are any number of ways to wash out the engine, steam cleaner,powerwasher w/ hot water, air pressure w/ solvent.
Good Luck,
John A.

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Vern-MI

01-06-2004 03:03:02




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
You are on the right track. Clean the valve covers and the muck out of the oil pan and then use a bypass oil filter like Oilguard to constantly clean the oil.



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Farmall Restorer

01-05-2004 22:38:56




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
Both Mark and Kevin are correct. The engine oil in a diesel engine gets black almost immediately. It may have nothing to do with the internal condition of the engine. Shell Rotella is a really good diesel oil. Make sure that you use a good quality oil filter. I would recommend Wix.
Whatever you do don't use a FRAM. They are cheap and poorly made. Just take one apart and compare it to a Wix. You will see.

Regards,

Farmall Restorer

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Mark in AB

01-05-2004 20:40:47




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
I would use a good high detergent diesel oil. Get the tractor good and hot by working it good and change the oil after a day. Change the oil every 50 hours for the first bit then go back to 250hrs. An oil that gets dirty fast is a good oil doing it's job, removing contaminants from the engine and holding them in suspension. A oil that stays nice and clean looking may look like it's doing a wonderful job, but it isn't removing anything. Old deisels and black oil are the nature of the beast.

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Kevin (FL)

01-05-2004 20:17:35




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 Re: How to clean the inside of a engine? in reply to Mr. Clean, 01-05-2004 18:54:50  
Are you talking about a gas or diesel? Diesel oil will appear dirty within 30 minutes of running after an oil & filter change. If you're talking about a gas engine it sounds like a taxi cab engine--lots of idling and not much hard running for long periods. On diesels, I've heard of adding a quart of diesel fuel to the oil. Don't put too much or you'll damage bearings and could also have a crankcase fire. I've also heard of folks adding ATF to the oil. Best thing to do is run the engine for long periods at operating temp and good loads and change oil and filter regularly. On diesels I like to use Rotella. If you continue to see contaminants in the engine then you have an air filter problem or your oil filter isn't plumbed correctly.

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