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Brokenwrench

01-04-2004 07:30:32

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Anyone else getting gouged by their heating oil supplier? I called yesterday for 500 gallons and the cheapest I was quoted $1.63 a gallon. I can go to the station down the road and buy taxed road fuel for $1.49.

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David in MD

01-06-2004 16:13:41

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

I solved the winter gouging problems by installing enough storage for the entire year. I can hold 2325 gallons which heats my house and runs my equipment for the year. This year I paid $0.91 per gallon in mid August which was higher than I like but cheaper than the current price. My 1000 gallon tank with dike was $1100 used. I figure I'll pay for it with my savings in 3 years or so and still have a tank with some value. Other smaller tanks were free just had to set them up.

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Gasguy

01-04-2004 18:25:18

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

If you have a gun type furnace, as most newer furnaces are now, you can burn #2. It will give you more heat, and at a cheaper price.

Gelling? Bah. If you have a basement tank, don't worry about it. IF it would be -30 when they deliver the fuel, put a trouble light under your (LEAK FREE) filter for a couple of hours and you are safe. If you have an outside tank, put a 30 gallon barrel in the basement filled from the outside tank and vented. Fuel will flow in extreme cold weather but at a rate that won't satisfy your furnace. The 30 gallon barrel will give you the cushion you need. Lay it on its side (and off of the floor). Put one bung on the bottom, one on the top. Run the fill from your outside tank to a tee in the bottom bung (the other side of the tee goes to the filter and then the furnace). The top bung is used to run 3/8" or 1/2" copper line vent to the outside HIGHER than your outside tank. Put a hook in the vent to keep the moisture out and you are set.

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jdemaris

01-04-2004 17:35:10

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

I just priced 500 gallons as was quoted $1.30. Taxed fuel at the pump is $1.74. I'm in Central New York.

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John51

01-04-2004 13:45:25

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

The company I buy from also offer a pre-pay plan. Last summer we bought 800 gallons at $1.059. They deliver on their regular run, whatever we need at the time. No extra charge for delivery. It's a little bit of a risk but the price seldom goes down in winter and most years we save a lot.

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T_Bone

01-04-2004 12:22:23

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

Hi Brokenwrench,

They did that to my LP a few years back so I just used my own tanks and get them filled cheaper. LP suppliers won't fill someone elses tank or your own tank if more than 100lbs.

I think your allowed to haul less than a 1000gal with out having to comply with DOT. I would look at buying my own tank on a trailer then buy during the summer when fuel is cheap then add the anti-gel additive my self.

T_Bone

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stumpy

01-04-2004 13:03:44

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Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to T_Bone, 01-04-2004 12:22:23

here's my .02, I am working for a fuel co now up in NH. most offer a pre buy program in the summer when the price is low. Mine does for both propane and oil. Also we own the larger tanks i.e. 120 gal thru 1000 gal. we commonly swap and or buy steel from other companies as customers change who they buy from. #2 heating oil has 139,000 btu per gallon with diesel being lower, you can use it , but the efficiancy of your boiler will be lower. This may or may not be a problem, never did the math. Also the only differance between on road and off road diesel is the dye. On road has tax applied. The dye is the "gotcha" for the DOT.
BTW yesterdays price for #2 was 1.429, 1.329 for cash.

Stumpy

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Bob

01-04-2004 13:49:18

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Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to stumpy, 01-04-2004 13:03:44

Are you saying that #2 taxed, clear, on-road fuel has less BTU's per gallon than dyed #2 burner oil?

Is this true?

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stumpy

01-04-2004 14:30:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to Bob, 01-04-2004 13:49:18

Bob, Just did a quick search to put my money where my mouth is. (diesel fuel btu rating).
What I found is we are both right. Winterized fuel is generally a mix of #1 and #2 diesel. #2 diesel has a btu rating of 138,000 btus, very similar to #2 heating oil, however when fuel is winterized to lower cloud point the #1 deisel that is mixed in lowers the btu rating. So in the summer months you literally get more bang for the buck.

Kickin' rump @ 139,000 btu and beckett for more!
Stumpy a.k.a. your local burner tech. not so extrodinare. :)

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john

01-04-2004 14:59:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to stumpy, 01-04-2004 14:30:55

Since you are putting your money where your mouth is do another search and find that the only differance between on road and off road diesel is not all ways just red dye.

Some suppliers only sell low sulfur road diesel so they add red dye to the low sulfur to make it non tax fuel. That way they only need to stock one type.

True off road diesel is high sulfur and must all ways be dyed as high sulfur can only be used off road.

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stumpy

01-04-2004 15:08:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to john, 01-04-2004 14:59:50

Don't have to do the search, you are right. We get our fuel from Irving in Portsmouth, NH, the on and off road diesel we get comes from the same tank, the dye is injected into the fuel as it is loaded from the rack to the transport truck. Thanks for the high/ low sulfer info, but my mouth was eating dinner. :)

Stumpy

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buickanddeere

01-04-2004 19:56:53

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to stumpy, 01-04-2004 15:08:47

I pay the extra for clear low sulphur diesel and home heating fuel. Better than the stink of sulphur before and after it burns.

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john

01-05-2004 03:27:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to buickanddeere, 01-04-2004 19:56:53

Why not order dyed low sulfur. Not as cheap as high sulfur but a whole lot cheaper than clear.

While we can not get high sulfur from every supplier we can get dyed low sulfur from every place we load in our area.

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buickanddeere

01-05-2004 05:45:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heating oil in reply to john, 01-05-2004 03:27:17

Because Canada and Ontario have differnet eviromental laws and corporate policy that the US.

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Paul Janke

01-04-2004 09:33:17

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

When I delivered fuel fifteen years ago, heating fuel and diesel were out of the same tank. The only thing you should have to watch is whether your burner is set up for No. 1 or No. 2 fuel. Two will gel when it gets below zero, but is cheaper and has higher heat content.

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kraigWY

01-04-2004 09:27:33

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Re: Heating oil in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-04-2004 07:30:32

See if you can find a farm fuel supplier. You should be able to get the red die stuff cheaper yet.

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