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MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON???

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mgiriam

12-25-2003 19:01:53




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bought nice 50X80 insulated shop, 12 ohd doors, pit, 3 ph compressor. have mech background, a&p aircraft lic, good shadetree mech, worked for mf& moline dlr as young. am age 61. have diesel dodge dually & gooseneck, & natural show lot on 4-lane hwy. can paint. any way to do this for a living? be blessed, nick




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kwright

12-26-2003 20:11:16




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 Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mgiriam, 12-25-2003 19:01:53  
Though I don't make any attempt to earn a living at it, I do something quite similar with vintage motorcycles - I specialize in Japanese bikes from the late 60s though late 70s.

I attempt to buy bikes in basically sound shape, though usually they're not running but mostly all there. I do not do complete restorations per se, but what I refer to as "reconditioning". That is, I get them running well, clean them up, repair/replace any obvious safety items (tires, brakes, etc), and try to get them in road/trail worthy condition.

I will typically double to triple my money this way, including initial price of the bike and all parts and materials. My margin does not account for my time in any way. The margin depends of course on the specifics of the make and model (desirablily) as well as overall condition. I stay away from bikes I know are dogs, even if I can get them for free (as happens some times).

I've got 12 bikes right now, with three of them in various stages of recondtioning, the rest are moth-balled for later. I usually turn three bikes a year, depending on my perserverence.

I usually DON'T usually take in motorcycle repair work from others, though I get asked from time to time. I will do the occasional lawn mower-engine-for-a-friend routine though (just did a snow blower last week for a friend).

If I wanted to devote serious time to it, I could probably make quite a bit more, but I'm just not willing to devote any more time to it than I already do. Besides, I'm concerned it won't be fun anymore if I get too serious.

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Steve450

12-27-2003 16:39:42




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 Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to kwright, 12-26-2003 20:11:16  
kwright, I have a couple of questions on an old Yamaha that I have had for years. Wondering if you could help. I think it's a DS-5 ??? Drop me an email if you have time.

Thanks Steve



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CRUSADER

12-27-2003 10:58:20




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 Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to kwright, 12-26-2003 20:11:16  
Sounds to me like you have an operation simular to what I am hoping to have in the near future. Low overhead and just enough to get the job done yet not having to get deep in debt so I have to look at turning equipment quickly in order to pay off bills and loans. Good Luck with your motorcycles.

later days mate,
Jim



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John (C-IL)

12-26-2003 06:13:36




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 Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mgiriam, 12-25-2003 19:01:53  
We have a guy here that works on IH exclusively and has a 2 year waiting list. He farms for a living and restores, actually takes every piece off and repairs or replaces, for a sideline. He has a couple of guys working for him on the restoration part. He's not cheap either. An IH Super M will cpst you $7500, but that includes the tractor. It will be perfect in appearance and mechanical condition. Did I mention he has a 2 year waiting list?

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barry

12-26-2003 05:45:18




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 Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mgiriam, 12-25-2003 19:01:53  
if you can buy them right and get them running you'll do allright to do a complete restoration then try to get your money out it won't happen unless its a rare peice.complete restorations are best on someone elses money but get a healthy retainer up front. we take $1000 to start and ask for more when it runs out. some guys don't like it but we have 6 months of work in the yard now.we also have 60-70 tractors for parts. if you have the room there is good money to be made there

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Nebraska Cowman

12-26-2003 04:27:53




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 Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mgiriam, 12-25-2003 19:01:53  
You can make a living at most anything if you work enough hours at it. Is that what you want?



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CRUSADER

12-25-2003 21:18:37




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 Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mgiriam, 12-25-2003 19:01:53  
Not sure how much of a living a person can/will make. But I am also entertaining the idea of trying to make a few extra dollars doing this in the future. Prior to joining the military in '85 I worked on agriculture & industrual equipment, along with a few jobs working on automotive and trucks also. We have a farm in central Texas that has a lot of old junkers that are in need of TLC. Plan to put up a 20 x 25 shed in the backyard here in Clovis. After viewing some of the equipment and the price tags I am thinking that I might be able to pick up a few tractors here and there and turn them for a profit. As long as I can break even (more would be better) then the hobby could/would be a success.

If you decide to take a shot at Trading, Fixing Iron let me hear from you from time to time. I would like to know how your venture turns out.

later days mate,
Jim

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mike in new mexico

12-26-2003 07:45:50




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 Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to CRUSADER, 12-25-2003 21:18:37  
Jim - are you talking about clovis NM ? I live out side portales. mike



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CRUSADER

12-26-2003 11:42:17




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 Re: Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mike in new mexico, 12-26-2003 07:45:50  
Yes Mike,

Talking about Clovis NM. I got back here last January after spending five years in England.

Who owns that place on the highway between Clovis and Portales with all of those old tractors sitting in the paddock? Whenever I drive by there I usually slow down and try to take a closer look. Looks as if someone has a lot of projects to work on. If he has a set of steel wheels that will fit a Farmall M, may have to see if he'll turn loose of them. There's alot of mesquite growing up in the fields back home that need to be gotten out.

later days mate,
Jim

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CRUSADER

12-27-2003 10:51:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON?? in reply to CRUSADER, 12-26-2003 11:42:17  
I spent my five years at RAF Lakenheath. Traveled over and saw Bentwaters and Woodbridge. They have turned base housing into a low income housing area is some parts and have put houses on the market for sale in other areas. At Woodbridge, the Brits are still using the flightline and industrial estate parts of the base. At Bentwaters the F/L part of the base is now an Industrial Park and using the runway for cargo/etc. Do you remember where RAF Alconbury is? The U.S. still uses the base housing, BX, Comissary. Prior to leaving England I saw on the news where they are looking at turning the base into an airport. Stansted has grown due to the evergrowing town of London. You can fly into Stansted from the U.S. now. Don't remember which airlines is flying into there.

I would've loved to stay there another year, but things didn't work out that way. Instead I got sent back here to Cannon.

later days mate,
Jim

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D.L.

12-26-2003 17:47:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON?? in reply to CRUSADER, 12-26-2003 11:42:17  
Hey Crusader, Where were you stationed in England? I spent a few years there myself... '77 thru '83 @ RAF Bentwaters/ RAF Woodbridge... both have been closed for several years, but sure had a GREAT time... During my time there, traveled most of the country... hope to return some day!!!

Cheers mate!



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mike in new mexico

12-26-2003 14:10:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON?? in reply to CRUSADER, 12-26-2003 11:42:17  
Jim e-mail me, I know who owns them old tractors. I just got back from clovis. what do you think of this dirt storm?
mike



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CRUSADER

12-26-2003 16:02:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IR in reply to mike in new mexico, 12-26-2003 14:10:00  
Hey Mike,

Dust Storm?????

So that's what you call them now. The sky was brown for as far as I could see. I just got back awhile ago from a trip to the mall and to Lowe's. Seems like I had a couple of ideas that did their usual and went sour. My lady is a seamstress and has her own business. You've probably driven by her shop on 60/84 between Clovis and Cannon a dozen times or more. Anyway I went and got an element for one of the space heaters for her shop and was looking for a shelf to put a small TV on. They didn't have a shelf like I was looking for and the element is for the wrong model.

So does he plan to rework those tractors or is there other plans for them? I noticed a couple of those Case's were as complete as a person will ever find. Some of those JD's look as if they wouldn't take a lot to put into action.

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mike in new mexico

12-26-2003 16:53:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXIN in reply to CRUSADER, 12-26-2003 16:02:17  
No- that guy is never going to do anything with those tractors,he got all kinds of money and many of those he bought running. he will price them but boy does he want a fortune for em,he doesn't care if he sells one or not. I have never heard of him selling a single tractor. but if you want to talk to him-he owns that old 2 story rock hospital on prince st. the one that is an old west museum and antique store. you might talk to him and who knows? mike

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kyhayman

12-25-2003 19:17:22




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 Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to mgiriam, 12-25-2003 19:01:53  
Yes, no, and maybe :-).

If you are talking high quality restorations, only if you are doing it with someone elses money. If you are talking jockeying equipment and tractors, with a reapir shop backup and the capability to paint the tractors you can do ok IF you are willing to tie up some significant $$ in inventory.

Then the questions begs "what do you like to do?". If it is mechanical work then I would think you would be better off to hang up your shingle and repair stuff for folks. We've got a few folks here doing that and they have from a 2 week to 2 month backlog (I got on the list with the cheapest and best for March 24, 2004). If you like the buying selling and trading then I'd go with what I mentioned in the first paragraph. That's what I do, I'm a pretty fair mechanic but do not like to do the actual repair (I'd rather drive my stuff than work on it). I'll buy something that seems mechanically sound and under priced, spruce it up, maybe use it a few months and then pull it down by the road and sell it. Usually have 3-4 pieces at any one time. Two guys up the road run good businesses doing it. They both bought bankrupt dealerships (a Ford and a JD). Put in shortlines of new stuff and lots of used stuff. Seem to be doing well.

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Rusty Jones

12-26-2003 11:13:33




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 Re: Re: MAKE LIVING TRADING, FIXING IRON??? in reply to kyhayman, 12-25-2003 19:17:22  
So you want to make a living at fixing stuff, eh? Well, if you do excellent work, don't have many come-backs, don't charge a lot of money for the first year for repairs, etc., give a guarantee for everything, stand behind your work, don't make excuses if you screw up, you might be able to start making some money after the first 6 months! You have to advertise--either word of mouth, a little sign, or business cards. A low profile is just dandy! Keep regular hours, even if it means giving up on that hunting or fishing trip once a month or whenever! You'll have to access the web-sites of companies to get information on parts catalogs or part availability, or where to get them. You'll have to get on good terms with the local parts stores, so they'll "carry" you until the end of the month! And have a good credit card and rating! How are you in the book-keeping department? Know how to keep books? Profit and loss ledgers, etc. If you are married, will your wife keep the books? Some wives want nothing to do with that stuff! If she won't do it, will you have time for it. Willing to burn the midnight oil to keep ahead of the IRS? Maybe you'll have to hire somebody to do it. (Not cheap!) Hiring a helper? WHooeee! That's when the fun begins! (See above!) And then there's the business licenses, and insurance, and osha regs, and clean air regs., and all the other regs! Mind boggling! Remember, if you do fix stuff at home, at least you won't have to worry about a lot of those things, but don't get too big, or the wolves will be at the door! See first paragraph! I pick up mowers and etc. that folks set out for the garbage man. I fix them in my home garage, and then sell them to somebody else for a reasonable price. I set a little sign out against the telly pole--says: "Used mowers, etc.,$35 and up! Minor repairs, and my phone number. I make enough to go on a trip in the summer with my motor home, and have enough to have spending money for most everything. But, it isn't my only income! Good luck!: Rusty Jones

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