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Michael

12-12-2003 20:12:18




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My bank really made me mad today. I deposited my crop rent check on Wednesday. I have since written checks (using this money). I got a letter in the mail today saying the bank is now holding it until it clears 5 business days because the check was over $5000. Not happy because the checks I've written might bounce while this money is being held.

I deposited using an ATM and there was no notice given on screen or the receipt that this would happen. I called the bank's customer service number (because the bank is closed now until Monday) and they were not willing to do anything.

I've been a customer of this bank since 1989. Why in the H@#! my bank cannot call the bank the check was drawn on to verify funds, I don't know.

Sorry, I just had to rant--gave the customer service woman an real earful, too.

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havvey

12-15-2003 20:26:39




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
similar problems around here 1. alot of checks bouncing for closed accounts or nsf so no one like checks 2, soon checks are going to be out like cash you will use credit cards or check cards
3. banks are doing strange things on fees and services too and tightning up on money



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Mel

12-13-2003 21:06:04




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
I have an overdraft protection thing set up on my accounts. If a check is over they kick in enough to cover it in $100 increments. They will charge up 18% interest on this money but they send out a letter that same day to say they put the money in and if you pay it right away the interest doesn't amount to to much. Better than getting insufficent funds fees tacked on.



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leg

12-13-2003 21:05:03




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
Now lets do the stinking lawyers.



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kyhayman

12-13-2003 20:03:20




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
I get frustrated every time I deal with banks. The rage here, now that all the banks are being bought up by multi bank conglomerates is for locally owned start up banks to get in the business. I tried them but as soon as they get going they want to start adding fees, like $2 to call in a transfer from savings to checking. Moved most of my business to a credit union, only problem, if I try to buy another farm I'll have to go find somewhere to borrow the money as they wont give me what I'd need.

I did open an account at the bank where one of my main customers writes his checks. Seems he bounces about 1 out of 3 (they do eventually clear). Credit union was charging me $4 everytie I sent his check through and it came back. At least this way I can clear his check.

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Kelly C

12-13-2003 14:05:11




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
Had a bank once that would hold all you incoming checks.
Say you had $100 in account.
You had 4 checks come in. 3 checks for $10 each and one check for $71
They would add all them up total $101 well you only have $100 in account. BAM!!! they bounce all 4 checks for ISF and sock you $80 service charge.
$20 x 4 checks.
Grrrrr !!!
They did that to me once..... .Only once.



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Jim.UT

12-13-2003 11:52:32




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
I have worked in management in the Credit Union movement for about 20 years. I can't stand banks, but they can't stand me either.

If your checks do start to bounce, here's a common trick they will use: If 3 checks try to clear on a single day, the bank will process them in order of the check size. That way they can maximize their NSF fees. Here's how it works:

If you have a balance of $200 in your account and 5 checks come through for the following amounts:
check 1 $10.00
Check 2 $15.00
Check 3 $185.00
Check 4 $40.00
Check 5 $5.00

Now if they paid checks 1,2,4 and 5 your remaining balance would be $130 (200-10-15-40-5) which means check 3 would have to be bounce and you would incur only 1 nsf fee. BUT they do it this way: they pay check #3 leaving $15.00 in your account. Then they pay the next biggest check (check 4), oops, not enough...bounce it. Then move on to check 2, ok that'll clear. Now your balance is zero and they can bounce checks 1 and 5. Result? you paid NSF fees on 3 checks instead of 1. If you ask them about it they'll say "we pay them in the order they come in", but that's a lie. It's been proven that their internal policy is to pay the checks in order of check size to maximize fee income....in other words gouge the customer to the fullest.

Here's where banks are different from credit unions:
Both are "owned" by their stock holders. The stockholders elect a board of directors who set policy. Who are these stockholders? In the case of a bank, it's whoever bought shares in the bank corporation. In the case of a credit union, it's each member (customer). As a bank customer you have zero input as to who sits on the board of directors unless you also own stock. Then in order to have any clout, you'd better own a LOT of stock....not likely for the common customer. In a credit union, every person who opens an account is a member and has 1 vote when it comes time to elect a board member. A director on the board of directors must be a credit union member. This is true no matter how big the credit union is. The banking lobby would have you believe that when a credit union gets big enough to offer bank-like service, that it's not really a credit union anymore and no longer deserves the benefits granted to credit unions by congress many years ago. The truth is, if you join Navy Federal Credit Union (the larges CU in the country) you still have the same amount of clout at board election time as the guy with a $100,000 balance.

Sorry to be so long-winded. I'm off the soapbox now.

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Buzzman72

12-13-2003 09:10:07




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
Michael, you have to realize that banks are in business to make money for their shareholders; any other services are secondary to that. So if they have to inconvenience you in order to do that--and it costs you some $$'s in NSF fees--bottom line is, they really don't care as much about pi$$ing you off, unless you end up taking your business elsewhere..which most people won't take the trouble to do. Some will, but most would end up staying a customer and complaining a lot. So they're just playing the odds with you, and possibly taking your money thru NSF fees. And if YOU leave, there's probably some other sucker out there who's fed up with HIS bank, who'll just take your place when you leave.

Can't fight city hall, and ya can't get rich off your banker...that's why they have those big, purty buildings, with all the glass and marble, and you don't.

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HoneyRancher

12-13-2003 08:02:21




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
I have had one or more accounts with the same bank (Norwest/Wells Fargo) for over thirty years. Even though they are not very personal anymore, I have almost always been able to get them the reverse fees by asking. I think they put the fee on and if no one complains, they take the money and run. I have recently retired so I have time to go to the local office in person to complain about fees. That also seems to help - I get all hyped up to debate the "customer care" person and get no chance because they immediately take care of my complaint.
I also have online access to my accounts and check them frequently so I discover any fees much quicker than I would if I waited for the statement. It is also very useful to transfer between accounts.

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Chris-se-ILL

12-13-2003 07:09:05




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
This is why I stick with small independantly owned banks. Our local bank knows me and my entire family. Most of the tellers have been there for many years. They will call if there is any problem (which is almost never). I have deposited grain checks for tens' of thousands of dollars (as much as $38K) and only seconds later write them a check for nearly the same amount for the balance of my loan. Never a problem!

We also use a local Savings and Loan bank that is owned and operated by local people. Several years back a large banking corporation (Planters Union) came into the county and bought up atleast 3 or 4 banks. Immediately they fired a lot of the full time employees (tellers and loan officers that had been with these banks for many, many years) and brought in "their" people" to operate them. These folks were arrogant, rude, and demanding. They treated all the customers and local folks like they were theives and fools. Well, I talked to one of the Savings and Loan tellers about 2 months after Planters came in to the area. The S&L teller said that they were getting about 80 new customers a day!!! Folks were pulling all their money from the Planters banks and going elsewhere. It didn't take Planters too long to see that you cannot treat folks with disrespect!

I would be looking around for a new bank if I got treated the way you describe!

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lc

12-13-2003 06:42:00




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
The store i work for has some kind of check reader installed that goes thru the phone lines and verifies whether a check is good or not. Not sure exactly how it works, but it should stop bad check for the most part. Possibly saving many $ and trouble from returned checks. Not sure why a bank couldn't do the same thing. I can assure you that bounced checks are a headache for all concerned, banks as well.

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Michael

12-13-2003 12:35:38




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 Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to lc, 12-13-2003 06:42:00  
I asked the bank about whether they had such a device (I too have seen them in some retail shops) and they said "that's retail, we're a bank."



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Greywolf

12-14-2003 05:19:27




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 Re: Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-13-2003 12:35:38  
Basically all those readers do is check if your name/account is listed as having a prior history of bad checks.

They can't read your account outright.



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zoidberg

12-13-2003 05:53:04




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
You will love your bank even more when the new electronic rules come into place.. (I heard this in the syndicated Clark Howard money show) Checks now are accepted as an agreement to allow electronic transfer out of your account, and banks are no longer bound to return your paper checks. they (banking associations) say going entirely to electronic transfer will save them billions. I'm not sure if any one asked the customers. It sounds like there will be much more risk to checking accounts and that some adjustments will have to be made. Enjoy the day,
zoidberg

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john

12-13-2003 04:52:39




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
One thing to check into.....
My bank gave me a form I had to sign when depositing a large amount of money they wanted to put a hold on. In the very small print at the bottom of the page it said...
If we did not give you this notice at the time of deposit we will refund any nsf charges when the check clears.
This may be just my bank or it may be a law. Do not know.



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Greywolf

12-13-2003 05:31:49




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 Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to john, 12-13-2003 04:52:39  
And if they didn't give it to you....how would you know the practise is there????? ??? Interesting.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-13-2003 03:51:48




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
If your bank is any dam good they will cover your checks. I have not had a check returned for non payment in my life (but I have had some overdrafts)



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KURT (mi)

12-13-2003 03:45:40




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
I figgered out years ago that the regular joe shmoe customer (or victim of the bank) is a nuisance, unless of course you have $100,000 to put in an account.



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Mike

12-13-2003 03:40:24




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
You are finding out that the banks make most of their money from fees and have set up their services to generate these fees at the expense of the customer. I keep just enough money in my account to pay my bills that I can't pay in cash, and all checks coming to me are cashed,then deposited as cash. I changed banks last year because my bank was charging me an overactivity fee on my checking account. You are better off keeping the cash somewhere at home that is safe then let the bank have it and fee you half to death.Maybe if more people did this the banks would wake up.

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texas jack

12-13-2003 06:37:16




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 Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Mike, 12-13-2003 03:40:24  
Isn't it illegal to keep too much cash on your person? The was a presumption made some time ago, that an individual with large amounts of cash on their person must be engaging in illegal activities. So cash may not be an option.



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keyman

12-13-2003 10:24:40




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 Re: Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to texas jack, 12-13-2003 06:37:16  
I went through a tax audit 4 year ago.
That was what they got me on. I have a small business and I had made different deposits of cash.
They informed me that the most cash I could have on hand at any one time was 800.00
So every deposit that i had made over 800 i had to pay tax on it again.
If I get cash now I may make more than 1 deposit a day, But none over 800.
The bank even lets me made more than one deposit at a time as long as each is under 800.

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Mike

12-13-2003 17:41:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to keyman, 12-13-2003 10:24:40  
Thats what the IRS wants you to believe,they want to be able to track every penny everone has.You can deposit any amount of cash up to $9999.99 without raising any flags.Over $10K they can ask you to fill out a form to describe where the cash came from. I sell hay at the race track and all payments are in cash and have never had any problem with depositing even large sums. You can keep any amount of cash you want in your home as long as it was not gotten illegally.

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hay

12-13-2003 03:19:26




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
i've come to the conclusion that if anything can possibly happen with a bank or banking, it will. seems like all banks have their home offices way far off from me and personal service is a thing of the past. everytime i go to cash or even deposit they want all kinds of I.D. heck, i been with the same bank for 25 years and they change help like i change socks....twice a week. never the same face there more than 3 days or so. it is almost like i'm on my own when there is a problem cause the bank is surely no help.

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jf

12-13-2003 01:16:17




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
this one happened to me one time.I presented a chech, the clerk said the funds would not be availabe for a few days to allow the check to clear so instead of depositing I cashed it and walked away with cash-go figure



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greenbeanman

12-13-2003 06:16:14




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 Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to jf, 12-13-2003 01:16:17  
Where I live they won't cash such a check unless you already have the amount of the check in your accounts---unless it is a corporate check. I can never cash my farm rent check since it is from an individual.

Banks---HATE THEM!

What gets to me is that there is no standardization within my bank. Some employees will charge a fee for money orders, some don't. I complained to the customer service rep, telling her that I didn't care whether I was charged or not, but that it should be the same each time. Nope, same old song, some charge, others don't.

Cash isn't worth a darn anymore either. Farm Bureau in my area now requires a check or money order. Haven't they heard of "In God We Trust".

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Wayne

12-13-2003 22:05:52




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 Re: Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to greenbeanman, 12-13-2003 06:16:14  
Hey Greenbean, I've never heard of a debt that couldn't be paid by cash, or anybody that would refuse it. I always thought it was a federal thing that cash was legal tender for ALL debts, and no one could refuse it in payment. I don't know though nowdays, things are changing so much, problem is it isn't always for the better.



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Wayne

12-12-2003 22:05:22




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 Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Michael, 12-12-2003 20:12:18  
Hey Michael, watch them if they send you a letter saying one of the checks was returned for insuficient funds, and don't write another to cover it until you know 100% for sure what happend to it. My bank,( ex-First Union) now Wachovia did basically the same thing to me and it hit me with my October mortgage payment. Like you I have been with them since the late 80s. They said my mortgage check bounced. NEVER had one bounce before, sent me the letter and all, yet two days later honored the check. Somehow it had gotten run through before my deposit..???... Problem was they could send out a NSF letter the same day and I had it in less than a week, but never did they send one to say that they did in fact honor it. By the time I discoverd they had in fact cleared it I had already written another to cover it, since I knew the money was there, and sent it off. After it bounced once because they had in fact honored the first one it then cleared two days later with another deposit. That left this particular account really low, and was just the start of a really big mess. Funny thing though the mortgage company said they never showed the check as being returned and my account with them was still flawless...strange... Long story short, it took me $120 in fees from 3 checks that bounced and transfer fees from another account to cover others before they did, along with a few trips to the bank to raise He-- to get it straightend out. I found out that just because they say a check is returned doesn't mean it is in any way bad or no longer any good, that is up to the person/company you wrote it to to determine when it is really no good. They can hang on to it as long as they want and present it as many times as they want until it clears. Heck, if they present it elctronically, I guess if they really wanted to, they could be mean and do it several times a day and really run the fees up on you til the deposit clears. Just beware and cover your a$$ as best as you can.

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tlak

12-13-2003 02:30:35




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 Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to Wayne, 12-12-2003 22:05:22  
They can only bounce a check back against the bank X number of times. 3 in most cases. I recently was helping somebody with bad checks. The fee thing is a big racket from the store all the way to the prosecuters. I got a lot of fees relieved but the stores banks and even the courts view this as an income and part of their budget. One DA told me not to tell anybody that he relieved the fee because if everybody wanted to do that they wouldnt be able to pay his clerks. Walmart told me if it was a bank error they could remove the fee. So if a million dollar bank makes a mistake they relieve it but if somebody makes a mistake or doesnt have money their not going to help.

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steveormary

12-13-2003 20:51:20




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 Re: Re: Re: @#$%! Banks in reply to tlak, 12-13-2003 02:30:35  
Went thru 4 banks in the 20 yars I tried to farm. First two would not loan me the money to by the farm. I was renting at the time.

3rd. bank loaned the money. Intrest rate was high. When intrest rate came down the bank would not rewrite the loan with out doing another appraisal. Was going to charge me a good sum for that. Finally,the fourth bank treated us pretty reasonable. Now I have retired,sold out and moved south.

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